The simple fact is that there is secular evidence that supports 607 BCE
Eh? You need to do research mate, zero secular evidence.
i am confused about the time scale regarding the year of the destruction of jerusalem.
in the 1st october 2011 watchtower an argument is presented to back up 607 bc but there are so many conflicting arguments that this happened 20 years later according to secular sources.
your thoughts please..
The simple fact is that there is secular evidence that supports 607 BCE
Eh? You need to do research mate, zero secular evidence.
this is quite incredible.during his talk, the branch overseer, made a special talk dedicated to the apostates.. he clearly emphasis his point, "apostates used to be between us, really you can talk with apostates, those people are good, of course their point of vue is different than ours now but they are mostly very nice poeple, and you shouldn't be afraid to talk with them.
"though as usual, the reaction of the brothers was quite the same, impassive, i was very surprise by this statement.i cannot assume if this is just a one man step ahead towards the apostates, or really a change in their policies, this came from the mouth of a branch overseer.of course, for obvious reason, i won't give the name of the brother, which is famous, but only here in an central european country.i would have expected him to quote more scriptures, but he didn't, he could have use the one for jesus himself :"you should love your enemies", as apostates were really the "enemies" for the wtbs for such a long time, maybe now that the king of the north is awaken, apostates are not so bad after all ?
just wondering....
Don't buy it.
i’m fairly new so i don’t know everyone’s backstory.
how did you realize the organization was false?.
Easy....facts...607 BCE was NOT the destruction of Jerusalem.
That ONE fact destroys 1914 which takes down the self-appointed GB power and when you remove that from your mind and see their teachings as is from men it doesn't stand up.
I resigned as an elder on March 2012...stopped going in October 2012 and never looked back.
i was howling watching cedars latest video of tm111 buying a dozen bottles of scotch ((maccallans scotch).
you can't write this stuff.
right, i'm now off to buy a bottle of maccallans 😂..
So many weird comments on here.
TM has not done anything technically wrong...except he preaches and teaches one thing and this video highlights another.
You can't preach and teach that money is tight, it should be donated, even at the cost of an ice cream and splash $800 on booze...if an elder caught a dub buying $800 of booze there would be "questions" asked and the conversation would go something like it is not a good witness.
There may be legit reasons to buy $800 of booze but if you considered "Jehoover" then perhaps you wouldn't do it in broad daylight on a Sunday morning.
It's the hypocrisy in it...
i was howling watching cedars latest video of tm111 buying a dozen bottles of scotch ((maccallans scotch).
you can't write this stuff.
right, i'm now off to buy a bottle of maccallans 😂..
I thought it was Aprils Fools...but its not....astonishing!
we all know the society would love to get rid of all the problems caused by clinging to 1914 and all they claimed it meant for the last 100+ years.. it looks like they are laying the groundwork for easing away from the whole concept of 1914. this would also let them do away with the ridiculous "overlapping generation" bullcrap.
what a diaper load that has been.... anyway, the following is from their super secret marching orders for april, 2019. draw your own conclusions.... "3.
“100 years of faithfulness”: the coordinator of the body of elders, or another elder, should be invited to read the following special announcement.
Whilst some in the past have clung to dates such as 607 BCE, the Faithful Salve has always advised caution.
But the WT are the ONLY people who say 607 BCE is important!!! Nice April Fool for sure.
horror is easily my favourite genre of movie so i just thought i'd start a thread on it.. horror can be done badly and there are plenty of crap horror movies, no doubt about that.
but horror can also be done very well, too - often on a low budget.. plus, there are quite a lot of subgenres - slasher, supernatural, monster movies, body horror, psychological horror, zombie, vampire, etc.. so, do you like horror?.
what's your favourite subgenre?.
Goodnight Mom...psychological horror...very tense...I love horror films like that...
Found footage possession films are great too.
The greatest horrors are what humans can do to one another not aliens or monsters. I guess that is the point of The Walking Dead.
so i was talking with my husband about all the things the organization is doing ie.
hiding pedophiles, lying about what 1914 was etc.
so his response was that the nation of israel had times when they weren’t doing the right thing, but it was still gods chosen organization.. another topic we were talking about was disfellowshipping.
so his response was that the nation of Israel had times when they weren’t doing the right thing, but it was still Gods chosen organization.
Ok..and the leaders of the nation when they were like this...how were they viewed be Jehoover?
Pharisees and kings who deviated were removed from position...so on that basis is your husband assuming the GB are to be punished and removed like the leaders who taught wrong things in the bible times who professed to be Jehoovers leaders?
if you haven't seen it already, skip to 1:14:30 in lloyds video and watch the craziness unfold.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2y7f7-k5wo.
i'd love to hear everyone's thoughts on this.. they're digging themselves a great hole here, in about 30 years time they'll be claiming this video was a mere "speculation" and that "some people" got the wrong ideas..
Slim...
1919 does give them more time than 1914 because it is not tied fo “this generation”.
1919 simply marks the re-establishment of pure worship and the endtime can stretch from that date indefinitely.
Keeping 1919 affirms the authority of the GB-faithful slave chosen in that year, without tying them down to 1914-generation teaching.
For example Seventh Day Adventists believe the endtime and investigative judgement began in 1844 and continue to stretch this out.
But still Satan has a "short period of time" from when he was thrown down to the earth, which they still teach is 1914. If they ever change 1914 as not the birth of the kingdom or the start of the signs of the last day with Satan on the earth they are in a world of pain as that affects a lot of their teachings.
I agree they are trying to mention 1914 less and more on 1919 but the reality it that it doesn't change much.
if you haven't seen it already, skip to 1:14:30 in lloyds video and watch the craziness unfold.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2y7f7-k5wo.
i'd love to hear everyone's thoughts on this.. they're digging themselves a great hole here, in about 30 years time they'll be claiming this video was a mere "speculation" and that "some people" got the wrong ideas..
Slim...the issue with 1914 is not just faulty prophecy or chronlogically incorrect.
1919 is only 5 years after 1914 and they still teach that Satan has a "short period of time"...whether 1914 or 1919 the fact is we are 100 years from that and getting further away from it.
The reason why we on this forum are stating they need to drop 1914 is the very same reason they will need to eventually drop 1919....it's too long ago and nothing has happened as to what they say will happen.