Posts by notsurewheretogo

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Great crowd article @ september study Watchtower

by Gorbatchov in

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friends

has anyone read the article about the great crowd in the september study watchtower?.

i read an elephant in the room.

is there a change comming?

notsurewheretogo

Could you post bits that you give you the thinking there may be a change?

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In Sydney, and ex jw gathering, with an apperance by Angus Stewart!

by nonjwspouse in

this happened yesterday.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pfyty9bs3i.

notsurewheretogo

This thread is not about Lloyd Evans...there are numerous other threads about him.

As you may know I'm not a big fan of his "personality" or the way he does things or comes across but that is my opinion based on not knowing him personally but his online presence.

I may be wrong and whilst I will be vocal in the things I see him do wrong ultimately he is a great activist working towards the good of the exjw community.

I could write paragraphs on the man and things I disagree on and in the past in threads I would post such stuff but can we not move on and be mature and see past the person that he is and see his work? Why does every thread that involves him have to turn the same way in that we talk about him?

I admire his work and enjoy fort the most part...I have reservations about him that I see but I won't keep bringing them up, it is unfair to his work.

He was simply part of this exjw event which I enjoyed watching.

I do the same with the GB now...see past the idiots in the GB and look at them as a whole and what they produce.

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What is the biggest doctrinal mistake made by the Watchtower /JWorg. ?

by Finkelstein in

personally i think it is 1914 and the following " this generation " doctrine.. this particular doctrine went right against jesus's own words of " no one knows of the time not even he " .

he also admonished his true followers to not set a time upon god's own sacred time .. the leaders of the wts even back to the late 1800's set a time calculated on their own theology 1874 being the first time set and proclaimed by c t russell, also proclaiming 1914 would likely be the year of the final day of judgment armageddon.

all throughout the 20th century the wts held to this doctrine but was eventually revised of course when it was realized this generation had passed away who saw the events of 1914. .

notsurewheretogo

Hi Finkelstein - ever considered that that clay tablets could be faked by poor people digging in Babylon and getting paid good money by some wealthy Europeans? Just a thought. Dates may not be all they are cracked up to be.

All 13,000 of them?

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What is the biggest doctrinal mistake made by the Watchtower /JWorg. ?

by Finkelstein in

personally i think it is 1914 and the following " this generation " doctrine.. this particular doctrine went right against jesus's own words of " no one knows of the time not even he " .

he also admonished his true followers to not set a time upon god's own sacred time .. the leaders of the wts even back to the late 1800's set a time calculated on their own theology 1874 being the first time set and proclaimed by c t russell, also proclaiming 1914 would likely be the year of the final day of judgment armageddon.

all throughout the 20th century the wts held to this doctrine but was eventually revised of course when it was realized this generation had passed away who saw the events of 1914. .

notsurewheretogo

1914...it just doesn't stand up to biblical, secular and archaelogical facts.

But hey when do JW's care about that.

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607 date of Jerusalems destruction

by benny in

i am confused about the time scale regarding the year of the destruction of jerusalem.

in the 1st october 2011 watchtower an argument is presented to back up 607 bc but there are so many conflicting arguments that this happened 20 years later according to secular sources.

your thoughts please..

notsurewheretogo

Of course, the WT taught it was 606 BCE because in their maths they counted a zero year.

1 BCE...0 CE...1 CE.

Whilst there is no zero year.

1 BCE...1 CE

So when they realized their mistake you would think, if being honest (don't snigger) that you adjust your end date of a prophecy to 1915 because...well...you cannot change a date in history.

It would be like me say I'm 30 years old...looking at my birthday...realize I'm 31 but then adjust the year I was born to suit that I am 30.

The fact the WT is willing to adjust a date set in stone in history (forget the 587/586 bit for now) rather than the end date of a prophecy is clear that they simply want it to fit to 1914 no matter what.

There are over 13,000 tablets that show the destruction was 587/586 BCE...it is irrefutable.

The WT only stance is "well the bible is inspired...the 1914 is true therefore it must be 607 BCE".

I'll repeat...the fact they adjusted the date in history marked by events and recorded by a people who recorded everything rather than adjust the date of the end of their prophecy shows what they are...a cult.

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607 date of Jerusalems destruction

by benny in

i am confused about the time scale regarding the year of the destruction of jerusalem.

in the 1st october 2011 watchtower an argument is presented to back up 607 bc but there are so many conflicting arguments that this happened 20 years later according to secular sources.

your thoughts please..

notsurewheretogo

The simple fact is that there is secular evidence that supports 607 BCE

Eh? You need to do research mate, zero secular evidence.

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BRANCH OVERSEER : "Apostates are GOOD people !"

by Aleph in

this is quite incredible.during his talk, the branch overseer, made a special talk dedicated to the apostates.. he clearly emphasis his point, "apostates used to be between us, really you can talk with apostates, those people are good, of course their point of vue is different than ours now but they are mostly very nice poeple, and you shouldn't be afraid to talk with them.

"though as usual, the reaction of the brothers was quite the same, impassive, i was very surprise by this statement.i cannot assume if this is just a one man step ahead towards the apostates, or really a change in their policies, this came from the mouth of a branch overseer.of course, for obvious reason, i won't give the name of the brother, which is famous, but only here in an central european country.i would have expected him to quote more scriptures, but he didn't, he could have use the one for jesus himself :"you should love your enemies", as apostates were really the "enemies" for the wtbs for such a long time, maybe now that the king of the north is awaken, apostates are not so bad after all ?

just wondering....

notsurewheretogo

Don't buy it.

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What woke you up?

by HappyBlessedFree in

i’m fairly new so i don’t know everyone’s backstory.

how did you realize the organization was false?.

notsurewheretogo

Easy....facts...607 BCE was NOT the destruction of Jerusalem.

That ONE fact destroys 1914 which takes down the self-appointed GB power and when you remove that from your mind and see their teachings as is from men it doesn't stand up.

I resigned as an elder on March 2012...stopped going in October 2012 and never looked back.

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Tony Morris video footage of him buying a dozen bottles of scotch

by UnshackleTheChains in

i was howling watching cedars latest video of tm111 buying a dozen bottles of scotch ((maccallans scotch).

you can't write this stuff.

right, i'm now off to buy a bottle of maccallans 😂..

notsurewheretogo

So many weird comments on here.

TM has not done anything technically wrong...except he preaches and teaches one thing and this video highlights another.

You can't preach and teach that money is tight, it should be donated, even at the cost of an ice cream and splash $800 on booze...if an elder caught a dub buying $800 of booze there would be "questions" asked and the conversation would go something like it is not a good witness.

There may be legit reasons to buy $800 of booze but if you considered "Jehoover" then perhaps you wouldn't do it in broad daylight on a Sunday morning.

It's the hypocrisy in it...

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Tony Morris video footage of him buying a dozen bottles of scotch

by UnshackleTheChains in

i was howling watching cedars latest video of tm111 buying a dozen bottles of scotch ((maccallans scotch).

you can't write this stuff.

right, i'm now off to buy a bottle of maccallans 😂..

notsurewheretogo

I thought it was Aprils Fools...but its not....astonishing!