ok, i'm know 'm going to take a beating here ( at least i hope so ).
i am interested in knowing what other guy's "skills" are.
can you be in a room of women only and get them to talk to you?
From time to time, I get asked, "What is your secret for being able to talk to women?"
My answer? "Treat them like people."
I admit that my childhood gave me a huge advantage, but still....instead of using gimmicks to talk to women, just treat them like people. Few men do.
and i found one!
harv is intelligent, well educated, affectionate, refined, gentle, generous and a great kisser.
it is amazing how well we compliment each other.
Congratulations, Robyn! He sounds like quite a catch!
now here is where i stick my foot in my mouth, although i have done that enough in my life.
i would like to think of myself as a free thinker and look at everything objectively.
the point i would like to bring up here and discuss with others is, even though we claim or most of us claim to be ex jdubs, we still have not gotten away from the codependent mind of a dub.
Great topic, William.
I was one of those sheep, and try not to be now. How successful I am at that is dubious.
As for Jesus being a freeloader, I can see some validity in that view. However, I will play Devil's advocate here.
Jesus exchanged a service (religious teachings) for a fee (room and board). He didn't just beg for food and a place to stay. He gave something back in exchange.
Today we pay money for religious teachings, Anthony Robbins' tapes and books, etc. What Jesus did is not much different. BTW, I am an Anthony Robbins fan.
jehovah's witnesses.
the organisation.
i love 'em both still.
Thank you for your kind words, Scooby.
Panda, that was a nice, balanced, post.
Scoob, You enjoy your friendships now because when they find out where you post in your free time they won't be your friends anymore.
That is quite likely. There are some JWs who will still stay friends when they know a person goes to this site, but they are rare.
comments you will not hear at the 8-24-03 wt study
wt article quotes are in
yes in their day 1914, 1925, 1975 were also "now so near" and it is 28 years after 1975.. wait with "holy acts of conduct".
LOL! Now that is funny. I replied twice without posting! I never clicked the Submit Post button or went near it. My internet is acting up today. So, I am editting this reply, and will put my original reply in the second reply below.
comments you will not hear at the 8-24-03 wt study
wt article quotes are in
yes in their day 1914, 1925, 1975 were also "now so near" and it is 28 years after 1975.. wait with "holy acts of conduct".
I just love the don't be materialistic part . Gag. I guess they mean fork over more dough to the Watch Tower or spend more time selling magazines forget about anything that could make your life easier such as saving for retirement or buying a house or new car .
heathen, I have always found the Witness view (and the view of some other churches') to be hypocritical. They tell us that there is no need to earn more money, but they don't refuse donations...and the organization is worth billions!
I am sure the writers of the magazine work hard, but they don't have a mortgage, children, homes to clean, meals to cook, etc. In other words, they are isolated from the real world and all of their basic needs are met. They have never had to work 20 hours days for 3 months straight to ensure that their family was fed and not living on the streets. Needless to say, this is a sour point with me.
This is just another example of how much the Society is out of touch with the rank and file.
jehovah's witnesses.
the organisation.
i love 'em both still.
Hey granted, ScoobySnaks has a right to his/her view. Just as we all have. What I found to be missing in the OP was any remote explanation as to WHY Scooby feels the JW org is deserving of love. (Note: I love my JW relatives, but not because they are dubs, IN SPITE of that).Therefore, I don't find challenges to Scooby's gushy OP to be out of line in the least.
Scooby said he didn't have a reason. That indicates he was either trolling or speaking straight from the heart. I believe he was going by his heart and feelings. No attempt was made to sway others to his view. Hence, I resent the ravenous pack of wolves that descend on Scooby when he posts. With other posters, I might feel it is fair....I have been part of such wolf packs before. But in Scooby's case, I don't see the need for a simple heartfelt comment to be followed by pages of JW-bashing or attacks. I consider the Dubs to be a very dangerous religion. Yet I can easily live with a polite poster like Scooby who simply likes the JWs. Why can't everyone else? When I left the Dubs, I did not consider them to be bad. Does anyone want to rag me about it? Simon has stated that everyone should feel welcome to come here. Why don't we just welcome Scooby and give him a cyberhug? (((ScoobySnax)))
jehovah's witnesses.
the organisation.
i love 'em both still.
minimus, I agree with your words, though I have no reason to believe that Scooby is doing anything other than being sincere.
My reasoning is based on my gut feeling, plus Scooby's statements.
I can relate to Scooby because I used to be where he is. Is it such a crime to have pleasant memories of a cult? Since there are typically six million JWs at anytime, I assume that there is a much greater number of ex-JWs. So, out of 10 million or so ex-JWs, is it inconcievable that one will have pleasant memories of being a JW? Is that so bad?
The total sum of evidence against the Dubs on this site is overwhelming. Scooby can do no harm. If someone was going to return or become a JW based on Scooby's "I enjoyed being a JW, though I don't know why" comments, then they were going to ignore the rest of the evidence on this site and become a JW anyway.
jehovah's witnesses.
the organisation.
i love 'em both still.
Nickey, excellent reply to Valis.
Xena and Robyn, your replies said it all.
Skeptic, the typical expected response would be appropriate at the AA meeting because that is not a forum for the virtues of drinking. Even if a person was quite sincere about their view, it would be rightly regarded as inappropriate to those that not only refuse to imbibe but also warn against such drinking.
Such methods are also a cult technique. The technique is surrounding members with people who all think alike, and who jump on any who deviate from the acceptable thoughts. Soon, everyone in the group will only spout the party line.
Such methods may be appropriate for a alcohol recovery board, I don't know. But we are not dealing with alcohol recovery here, we are dealing with recovering from a high control group. As such, helping people think for themselves and to break the habits of "group-think" are vital.
There is a saying, "You become your enemy." Let's shed the JW methods and mindset.
Scooby does not try to promote JW ideas, other than to say he has pleasant memories of the JWs and likes them. Is that so terrible? I have many pleasant memories of when I was a JW. When I left the Dubs, I had nothing against them. Was I a bad person? If I discovered this board then, would I be required to keep my views to myself? If so, then how is this site much different than a Kingdom Hall?
As it was, I discovered H2O, and then found out what was wrong with the Dubs. What if H2O ragged me every time I posted something moderate or pro-JW?
Persons who suggest that Jehovah's Witnesses have the truth or that most things are quite wonderful should be corrected on this forum...But I think that when Watchtower sympathizers express that JW's are peachy and wonderful, that view should not go unchallenged.
There is a time and place for that. But six pages devoted primarily to ragging on Scooby for his comment? IMHO, the most valid comment made refuting Scooby is the one that pointed out that perhaps this is because he has been inactive for some time and is isolated from the "real world" of being a JW.
A few years ago, I donated books to a local Kingdom Hall. I even drove JW relatives to the Kingdom Hall for meetings. And I would still do the same today. How many pages on this forum should be devoted to telling me how wrong that was?
It is obvious that Scooby is on a journey, and he causes no trouble. Leave him be.
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what is the idea behind the sisters wearing a head covering when they lead a group for field service?
is there something written in the bible new world translation about this?
siegswife, good post.
I find it fascinating that two completely opposite teachings can be taken from the exact same words in the Bible. One would think that if Jehovah was smart enough to create the Universe, He would know enough to ensure that the most important book ever written was written clearly!
The Bible is like a fiddle. You can play any tune on it you want.
