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Please form a judicial committee...

by SexyTeen in

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seeing that most of those on this forum love to judge others (although the complaint is that jws do the same thing), i am willing to go through a judicial committee.. if you see fit not to forgive, please disfellowship me and shun me.

Skeptic

Simon: Did you read my apology to you in the "I apologize to Simon" thread http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=20521&site=3 You will also find another post there by me where I show that SexyTeen was lying even as she apologies for lying?

SexyTeen,

Skeptic: Are you a skeptic? lol...

LOL! Have fun, YoYo, just don't hurt anybody, OK?

You got it, Richard, except that YoYo is obviously nuts in a nasty way. When he couldn't get to first base by posing questions he thought no one could answer, he disappeared and then reincarnated himself as SexyTeen in order to play upon the emotions of good-hearted people. Note how he still manages to deceive people, even after having been thoroughly exposed.

I am surprised that YoYo is able to decieve so many people, esp. the very intelligent like Abaddon. I am one who gives people the benefit of the doubt, but Sexy has been definitely exposed,

I really don't care about Yoyo using a different persona, I do that as well. I am worried that others will feel very hurt once they realize they have been duped. I was really embarrassed and pissed at first, but later calmed down after realizing that Sexy is fairly harmless.

As for people still being deceived after an expose, I know evangelic Christians who still avidly supported Jimmy Swaggart after he was exposed, knowing full well he was a fraud...although Jimmy is quite a speaker, and gave them that intense religious feeling, so they did get something from him.

Although I do not appreciate the Yoyo's deception, if people haven't clued in yet, then maybe they need a lesson in not trusting too much, a lesson in using their heads.

Richard

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Loosing Two Dimensions?

by D wiltshire in

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einstien's theory of time and space, made from the observation that the speed of light is a constant (in a vacuum) no matter what speed we,.. the measurer is traveling,.. either away from, or towards the light source.. as he says time not a constant,.. and length in the direction in which one is moving is not a constant.. only the speed of light is a constant.

(all true laws of physics are absolute.

)the speed of light is an absolute.. so from this he concluded that space and time our relative but the speed of light is absolute.. here's a question for all you physic buffs:.

Skeptic

Here I go revealing my ignorance of basic physics...

Massless particles like photons can travel only at the speed of light.

Alan, I remember several times looking up the mass of a photon in my high school physics book. It always struck me as odd because I knew that at the speed of light its mass would be infinite, not the tiny amount given in the book. Obviously, to travel at the speed of light, a photon would have to be massless...when I asked about this, I was told that light is both has photons and is a wave and that the answer is unknown.

Could you explain it to me? Is the textbook simply wrong or outdated? It has happened before.

Richard

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Please form a judicial committee...

by SexyTeen in

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seeing that most of those on this forum love to judge others (although the complaint is that jws do the same thing), i am willing to go through a judicial committee.. if you see fit not to forgive, please disfellowship me and shun me.

Skeptic

I'm with you, Alan! SexyTeen is obviously YoYo. Sexy even lied during the post where she apologies for lying!

YoYo is having fun. At least it is harmless fun. SexyTeen is getting a lot more attention that YoyoMamma ever did.

Richard

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Mother, wife, myself, DA'ing ourselves

by ashitaka in

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well, i've finally had it.

i'm da'ing myself, along with a piece of my fam.

the unbaptised ones are refusing to go with my father now, and even my still devout father is leaning towards our opinion on things.. there wasn't even any screaming when i called the jw's the great hypocrisy last nite.. i just can allow myself to be associated with them in any way.

Skeptic

{{{{{{{{HUGS}}}}}}}}
{{{{{{{{KISSES, WET TONGUE}}}}}}}}}
{{{{{{{{KICK IN THE ASS}}}}}}}}

Tsk. Tsk. SexyTeen ain't so sexy no more.

Richard

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Garden of Eden - Who lied?

by refiners fire in

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consider, dear brethren, these scriptures:.

first, genesis,2 verse 16 .

..."and the lord god commanded the man, saying,of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat.

Skeptic

Excellent work. I have had similar thoughts about Genesis as well, but you put them much clearer than I would have. And good point about the snake not lying, I never caught that before.

Genesis is full of interesting stuff, once you drop the JW filters.

Richard

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Who Draws The Line and Why?

by hillary_step in

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i wish to present three situations that are true to life and open up a discussion on these different scenarios and how would would personally act toward them.. 1) a 75 year old person has been a jw for the past 40 years.

most of their friends are jws.

they look forward to the fellowship at the meetings and though the congregation is far from perfect, they are pleased with the fact that they have a purpose in life.

Skeptic

Believe it or not, in real life I rarely try to tell any JW about the problems with their religion. I probably would not tell all three of the examples you gave.

If it comes up, I tell JWs. Or if they preach so much to me, ignoring my polite attempts to stop it that I get pissed off and go at it. They suddenly have to leave after five minutes!

If a JW came to my door, I might tell them about problems with the religion or tease them or leave them alone, depending on my mood.

Unless I sense that a JW might be wanting out, I usually don't say anything.

Richard

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CLEAN HOMES,YARDS,AND CARS

by Ranchette in

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remember how we were taught that if we kept our homes, yards and cars clean it would bring honor to jehovah and serve as a witness to our neighbors?.

we really thought people would look at our freshly mowed lawn and they would think, "those people must represent the true god jehovah?".

those people never connected god to any of those things!.

Skeptic

Ranchette and Amazing,

I never thought that keeping our yards and KHs clean and tidy made people think well of Jehovah. I did think that not keeping them clean would detract from Jehovah. Keep our clothing, yards and KHs honors Jehovah in the sense that it shows we are "decent" people.

Sad fact is the average JW needs the advice.

If the WTBS would give the two evenings, and two weekend mornings back to JWs, then JWs would have the time to clean and would not need the advice. The WTBS keeps running Dubs at such a pace, there is no time for cleaning, time for children, etc.

This is something we learn in Kindergarten if I remember correctly...

In Washington State, I often saw signs in public washrooms saying that 65% of Americans do not wash their hands. This fits with my casual observations of people there. I think the sign made people feel normal and had the opposite effect than was intended.

Richard

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Hi there Island Woman

by Julie in

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greetings island woman,.

i see you had some words for me at the time i took a short sabbatical from this board.

thought i'd address a few of your thoughts.. :ignorance comes in many forms.

Skeptic

Skeptic, you are a kind, supportive and biased-as-hell friend. I thank you for your kind words nonetheless--hope all is well with you.

Thanks! Sometimes my Ukrainian/Irish mix makes me rather passionate, esp. when a good friend is being dissed for no good reason.

I would jump in the fray about Amazing, but you are all my friends, and I respect you all. After losing too many friends by jumping into such frays, I now stay out of them. Let's just say I think you are all very wonderful people who are being far too hard on each other.

I think you all need to go to a bar and together get roaring drunk for a night. That should solve the problem! I'll buy the first round!

Richard

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Hi there Island Woman

by Julie in

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greetings island woman,.

i see you had some words for me at the time i took a short sabbatical from this board.

thought i'd address a few of your thoughts.. :ignorance comes in many forms.

Skeptic

It pains me to see so many posters whom I deeply respect and cherish arguing amoungst themselves.

I have not read many of the previous threads on whether or not Julie can relate to JW issues and whether or not she should have a right to criticize JWs. But, I'll stick my neck out and comment anyway. And as usual, I will be blunt.

I take Julie's side on that one. Saying that Julie cannot criticise JWs because she cannot "really" understand is hogwash. That is like saying I cannot criticise concentration camps because I have never been in one.

Julie is intelligent and very acquainted with abuse. Time and time again, she has shown herself to be one of most capable posters here; and that is not an easy feat to achieve!

Julie has gone through as much or more psychological abuse than any JW. She has had her religious myths scattered and experienced the feeling of loss that comes with it. She knows betrayal. She is gutsy and had to pull herself out of abuse and the effects of abuse by herself; just like many ex-JWs here.

The "really understand" debate is silly. No one here, longtime JWs and ex-JWs can "really understand" my life, because they have never lived my life. And I cannot "really understand" their life because I have never lived their life! So, since we cannot "really understand" each other's lives, then by that logic, we can never criticize anyone about anything, ever.

But we can get a close enough approximation that for all practical purposes it is the same.

Many longtime Dubs do not understand JW issues as well as Julie. Just look at FredHall's or You Know's posts. So the argument that Julie cannot make a significant and truly meaningful contribution to this board is pure bullshit.

And to act like Julie is can never really "be one of us" is elitism and cliquish. Just like at the Kingdom Hall.

Julie, as hard as it is, ignore the ones who claim you cannot possibly understand. You have proven yourself many times over. And just as explaining to You Know why his latest end-of-the-world prediction is a waste of time, explaining to some here why your input is just as worthy as any others is a waste of time.

Richard

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Please feel free to give your logic/opinion here

by openminded in

subject: jesus .

> > >> >> *"but you'll find jesus in my heart.

you'll find him in my heart.

Skeptic

It just doesnt make sense to me and seems more cruel than touching when I think of it like that.

WindRider, I could not agree more.

A big problem I have with the idea of a Christian God is why he allows young children to die; and that God wanted this child to die so another soul could be saved shows he is either not very powerful, or not very intelligent, or just doesn't give a damn about human suffering. Surely, God is smart enough to find another way to reach the surgeon's heart. Since God chose to talk to the surgeon in the story, well...why kill the child then? Hey God directly talking to people would be a good start!!! Esp. if medical problems can be eliminated, such as by talkign to a whole major city at once, several times over several years....but no, God has to kill children to do his preaching work.

I am rambling...I find evolution to be more satisfying morally; at least nature is incapable of knowing or caring when a young child needlessly dies; I cannot say the same for God.

Richard