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  Why do Jehovah's Witness members incriminate themselves in judicial meeting?

  by RULES & REGULATIONS in

  1. watchtower
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  why do jehovah's witness members incriminate themselves to any judicial process?

  how can three elders conduct a judicial meeting with a 15-year-old teenage girl who supposedly was rumored to fornicate, took drugs or was drunk from drinking alcohol?

  can she or the parents refuse to answer any questions?.

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  john.prestor

  That makes a lot of sense, so in other words you put pressure on yourself because they teach you to interpret any minor mishap as the grave consequences of your sin, so you confess thinking that's a 'get out of misfortune free' card...
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  Why do Jehovah's Witness members incriminate themselves in judicial meeting?

  by RULES & REGULATIONS in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  why do jehovah's witness members incriminate themselves to any judicial process?

  how can three elders conduct a judicial meeting with a 15-year-old teenage girl who supposedly was rumored to fornicate, took drugs or was drunk from drinking alcohol?

  can she or the parents refuse to answer any questions?.

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  john.prestor

  I only spoke to a few people who suffered through something like that so I'm relying on my background in the social sciences here. Part of It's probably them hoping that if they confess the elders will let them off easy, and from what I see on here that actually does happen sometimes. Part of it's the pressure of three authoritative, respected men questioning you in a small room, kind of like getting interrogated by cops, they don't let up until they get what they want. And part of it's the fact that Witnesses tend to believe that if they don't confess their sins to the elders Jesus won't forgive them their sins, which means he'll kill them at Armageddon. There's probably other factors too, hopefully some other posters will share their thoughts.
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  "No more than 40 years"

  by dynamiterose77 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in another corner of the internet someone stated that witnesses are proclaiming that this system will be no more than 40 years now... that "gog of magog" will start the great tribulation.

  can anyone confirm this latest "prediction"?.

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  john.prestor

  At jwfacts.com you can find an article that contains a ton of material showing JW elites strongly insinuated 1975 would welcome in Armageddon. It's no mistake membership fell in 76 and 77.
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  What holidays are they talking about?

  by carla in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in the elders manual under apostasy,.

  "1) celebrating false religious holidays: (ex.

  32:4-6; jer.

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  john.prestor

  LongHairGal, I come to the same exact conclusion. It's another subtle way they corral Jehovah's Witnesses so they stay within their pasture. They make every effort to keep them from connecting with others in every imaginable context, school, work, travel abroad (gotta wear nametags so everyone knows you're a JW or weird as hell), online (don't play video games on XBOX live), etc. In and of itself the ban on holidays looks petty and misguided, but it's one piece in a larger puzzle that reveals the true faces of those building it. .
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  "No more than 40 years"

  by dynamiterose77 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in another corner of the internet someone stated that witnesses are proclaiming that this system will be no more than 40 years now... that "gog of magog" will start the great tribulation.

  can anyone confirm this latest "prediction"?.

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  john.prestor

  Never heard anything like that but I haven't set foot in a Kingdom Hall in 2 or 3 years now except for the odd Memorial. It's probably like that story I shared a few weeks ago about an Elder telling me the CO said 5 years to go, it's not official policy. Maybe somebody told them about Flodin's morning worship remark a year or two back, 'does that mean this old system will last until 2040?' and either heard it wrong to remembered it wrong and just went with the 40 part
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  Only jw's .....

  by carla in

  1. watchtower
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  "(14) arranging for elders to visit or write a letter to addresses of households that have asked that no further visits be made.—see 23:21.".

  what is so hard for them to understand that someone is requesting to be a 'do not call'?.

  how does that conversation go?.

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  john.prestor

  It's like they pretend they don't get what the person wants when they ask for that.

  Householder: Don't visit me anymore.

  JW: Okay, we'll right you letters, happy to oblige.
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  What holidays are they talking about?

  by carla in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in the elders manual under apostasy,.

  "1) celebrating false religious holidays: (ex.

  32:4-6; jer.

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  john.prestor

  From what I read and saw in the Bible Teach book as far as illustrations they single out Christmas (too ecumenical, too many chances to connect with your family and community) and Halloween (too 'spiritistic'). The others they dont seem to talk much about, but like truthlover123 said, that might vary by circuit or even hall.
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  Interesting Find

  by ZindagiNaMilegiDobaara in

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  scandal in malta.

  by paul j. bonanno and kent steinhaug.

  it was, and still is, a fact well advertised by jehovah's witnesses (hereafter referred to as jw) that every member who works in their general headquarters (which is located in brooklyn, new york, america), and their other worldwide offices, receives only room, board and a few dollars per month.

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  john.prestor

  I don't want to be too down on the man because everybody likes staying in a nice hotel now and then... But a man who criticizes others of his own faith for enjoying worldly luxuries, and then pulls something like that? Yeah, that's pretty rank hypocrisy. It's particularly bad when most Jehovah's Witnesses, at least in the United States, make below average income, and the Governing Body bears some responsibility for that since they encourage people to work part-time and not go to college. And I'm sure he didn't pay for his room by saving up his Bethel stipend like a kid dropping quarters into a piggy bank, I'm sure it came to him gratis out of 'voluntary donations' ( I can't get over that phrase, what else could they be, coerced donations?) to 'the worldwide work'.
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  Legal concerns about: "picnics"

  by Darth FayDehr in

  1. watchtower
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  "congregation picnic"2.

  "congregation gathering"3.

  "spontaneous gathering of jws”.

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  john.prestor

  Who thinks about this kind of thing, like why would your mind even go there? I get it if it's congregation bungee jumping or congregation skydiving but just a routine social gathering in a park or something, what's going to happen there? You guys are right, it comes down to money and liability, something they think about more and more these days...
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  Is Russia "right" about presecuting Jehovah's Witnesses?

  by iliketreasure in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  jehovah's witnesses are presecuted in russia.

  on par with the is and other terroristic groups.

  it happened when the anti-extremism laws were extended to non-violent groups.. i don't believe that russia actually cares for the well-being of their citizens with this move and probably merely a law to stop other political forces (and the jws are one in a way, since their gather authority over large groups of people and also have their own political and judicial institutiona), but are they right about it anyway?.

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  john.prestor

  I agree with Simon. People can and should believe what they want.