Posts by john.prestor

41

JUNE 2019 Watchtower: Higher Education - HQ & Bethels are populated with evil, educated folks!

by The Fall Guy in

how alienated from jehovah and un-christian so many bethelites must be, who finished their higher education and gained their degrees!

i don't know how they can live with their consciences!.

pages 6 & 7, pars.

john.prestor

Just imagine them printing anything other than unending praises to Jehovah, i.e., the Governing Body :

A sister who has been in full time service for over 15 years says: 'Although men who live comfortably in a lakeside resort warned me against pursuing higher education, when I went to college I found their warnings failed to come true, just like their predictions of Armageddon's imminence. My professors encouraged critical thinking , and I developed as a person as I encountered new ways of being and living. My classmates showed me respect and kindness, and invited me to eat with them at the dining halls; we even partied from time to time, and I enjoyed letting loose. I experimented sexually with men, and found sex very pleasurable. I also joined various clubs and tried my hand at different sports. Although I found classwork stressful, when I graduated I found better employment than I could without a college degree.'

They would never print that. Their testimonials might as well be sock puppets or recordings of them disguising their voices.

41

JUNE 2019 Watchtower: Higher Education - HQ & Bethels are populated with evil, educated folks!

by The Fall Guy in

how alienated from jehovah and un-christian so many bethelites must be, who finished their higher education and gained their degrees!

i don't know how they can live with their consciences!.

pages 6 & 7, pars.

john.prestor

I always take my career advice from anonymous people who sound like parrots squawking out the company line. That's a sure sign of reliability right there: nameless, ageless, location unknown. Might as well call her Andrea.

13

Will the Russian brothers start to wake up?

by nowwhat? in

if i was a russian brother i would be wondering what exactly is the gb doing to help us out.

they are sitting in their lakeside corporate country club doing nothing while outside worldly agencies are making known our plight.

i found it puzzling that they flew out of russia like a bat out of hell as soon as the court rendered its decision leaving us high and dry.

john.prestor

Yeah, it's not gonna do much to anyone's faith. The Governing Body will send their love and prayers and the faithful will eat it up. The more Russia cracks down, the more Jehovah's Witnesses will feel persecuted, i.e., special, important, meaningful. That's gonna draw them deeper in, not push them further out.

7

The Baptist version of "Listen Obey and Be Blessed"

by john.prestor in

so i share stories from time to time on here from my childhood in a fundamentalist baptist church, which sounds pretty damn similar to some of the stories i read on here from ex-witnesses, the fear and guilt-tripping, the sexual repression, the world being a dark and wicked place, i even went door-to-door once in a while to hand out chick tracts (wish i was kidding) and try to get people to come to our church... so they could pay the pastor's salary, but i digress.

anyway, i don't remember a lot of it because my parents started bringing me to sunday school as soon as i could walk, so on sunday mornings my family dressed up and headed out the door bright and early to services.

my parents stayed upstairs for adult classes and me and my brother went downstairs where all the kids met to sing songs together before we separated for "age-appropriate" activities.

john.prestor

I think the difference is just terminology, I mean yeah the song says "the Lord" but the Baptists wanted to tell me what "the Lord" wanted, and if I said "The Lord wants me to rob people" they would never accept that, and we understood male leaders as spokesmen for the Lord more or less, we trusted them to tell us what the Bible meant and how we should live. The church was independent, it wasn't connected to any overarching authority, so if the board of elected deacons thought a pastor looked good, they hired him; that's all it came down to.

7

The Baptist version of "Listen Obey and Be Blessed"

by john.prestor in

so i share stories from time to time on here from my childhood in a fundamentalist baptist church, which sounds pretty damn similar to some of the stories i read on here from ex-witnesses, the fear and guilt-tripping, the sexual repression, the world being a dark and wicked place, i even went door-to-door once in a while to hand out chick tracts (wish i was kidding) and try to get people to come to our church... so they could pay the pastor's salary, but i digress.

anyway, i don't remember a lot of it because my parents started bringing me to sunday school as soon as i could walk, so on sunday mornings my family dressed up and headed out the door bright and early to services.

my parents stayed upstairs for adult classes and me and my brother went downstairs where all the kids met to sing songs together before we separated for "age-appropriate" activities.

john.prestor

So I share stories from time to time on here from my childhood in a fundamentalist Baptist church, which sounds pretty damn similar to some of the stories I read on here from ex-Witnesses, the fear and guilt-tripping, the sexual repression, the world being a dark and wicked place, I even went door-to-door once in a while to hand out Chick Tracts (wish I was kidding) and try to get people to come to our church... so they could pay the pastor's salary, but I digress. Anyway, I don't remember a lot of it because my parents started bringing me to Sunday school as soon as I could walk, so on Sunday mornings my family dressed up and headed out the door bright and early to services. My parents stayed upstairs for adult classes and me and my brother went downstairs where all the kids met to sing songs together before we separated for "age-appropriate" activities. This friendly and kinda effiminate guy got in front of the room and held up these poster boards with the song lyrics on them, we used to get really into the songs,

A while back I remembered one of the songs we used to sing, it just came back to me at a bus stop and it creeped me the hell out so I wrote the first stanza and the chorus down in a notebook. It's called "Obedience," no need to mince words I guess:

Obedience is the very best way,
To show that you believe.
Doing exactly what the Lord commands,
Doing it happily.
Action is the key – do it immediately,
Joy you will receive.

Obedience is the very best way to show that you believe.
O-B-E-D-I-E-N-C-E
Obedience is the very best way to show that you believe.

I ask myself how a grown man could make us sing that song in good faith. It's nothing more than "Do what we say and don't think about it," it's not like at 5 or 6 we made up our own minds on what "the Lord" said, people like him told us what "the Lord" wanted us to do and we did it because we didn't know any better. It reminds me of "Listen, Obey, and Be Blessed," just change the tune and the words it's the same authoritarian, Orwellian message underneath, barely disguised.

10

May 2019 Study Article in the Watchtower

by Lost in the fog in

here is paragraph 18 of the study article.

made to the congregation.

(1 cor.

john.prestor

Vidiot, I'm with you one hundred percent. Pedophilia shatters the illusion of "we're different from the world" like a rock through a window.

days of future passed, no, opportunists aren't everywhere, that's my point. Pedophiles don't roam our neighborhoods: they go after "low hanging fruit." It's suspicious as hell if some random guy shows up and tries to talk his way inside with some kid he doesn't know, who might call the cops, they teach kids to do that in school, and pedophiles aren't braindead. It's not suspicious if uncle someone wants to take their nephew on a camping trip, or if the priest wants to instruct a kid one-on-one about religious matters. Find me or show me one case in which a pedophile went door-to-door, found a kid home alone, and came back later.

22

And JW's are not allowed to think about sex? O_o

by nowawake14 in

jw
friends

i thought this might catch your eye.

especially if you're a man.. they say thinking about sex is wrong!

that's biologically impossible.

john.prestor

I laughed when I read Young People Ask and they quoted some verse from one of Paul's letters about "deaden your members regarding fornication" and said masturbation doesn't "deaden them" but excited them... yeah, for 10 minutes (or longer depending on the person), then you can relax and go on with your day. Telling someone not to masturbate gets them nowhere: they will eventually cave, we're meant to fuck.

22

And JW's are not allowed to think about sex? O_o

by nowawake14 in

jw
friends

i thought this might catch your eye.

especially if you're a man.. they say thinking about sex is wrong!

that's biologically impossible.

john.prestor

Sounds like you're awake alright, haha. Yeah, I don't know how they did or do it either. I was never a Jehovah's Witness but my parents raised me in a fundamentalist Baptist church where the pastor went on and on about if you look at a woman with lust you already committed adultery with her in your heart. I used to feel terrible because I couldn't stop thinking about fucking women, and then I realized one day that I couldn't keep that rule if I wanted to. That was right around the time I started dating and my first girlfriend mighta helped with that too... Sex is natural and healthy, and anyone who tells us not to have it doesn't have our best interests in mind. It's that simple.

10

march broadcast about neutrality

by road to nowhere in

i notice they commented that "we" should not sympathise with protestors, like the protestors are always right.

sometimes i feel a protest would be a good place for a machine gun, because i do have feelings on different things.

despite their stated neitral stance, the wt is left leaning.

john.prestor

Are you on something?

11

Be Bold Circult assembly

by Rattigan350 in

at the 2018-2019 be bold circult assembly yesterday.

yes, curcult, change the i to an l. because when they have 2 demonstrations about youths not going to university and another talk says for adults at work to be bold and refuse birthday treats being given away, it shows so much pettiness and lack of real concern for the people.. i was actually looking forward to the ca because a week before tornadoes went through our circuit and passed 2 miles by a kingdom hall and less than 1 mile by another that had meetings that afternoon.

i was expecting the circult overseer to give a report on it.

john.prestor

How much bolder can you get than saying no to cupcakes? That's true bravery right there.