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  An Expert Explains the Beginning of Christianity with Dr Richard Carrier

  by Rocketman123 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  here is an interesting discussion about how christianity probably began.

  hierarchical political interest may have been involved.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=civ8gscbo_g.

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  john.prestor

  Says Habermas: "By normal historical methods, the tomb was empty." (~7:50)

  What methods would those be? We don't even have the tomb.
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  An Expert Explains the Beginning of Christianity with Dr Richard Carrier

  by Rocketman123 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  here is an interesting discussion about how christianity probably began.

  hierarchical political interest may have been involved.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=civ8gscbo_g.

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  john.prestor

  I did not. I'll listen to part of it today; it's an hour and a half to be fair, you're kind of asking a lot. I doubt it's anything I haven't heard before because, again, it comes down to what the Bible says: that Jesus died, was buried, the tomb was empty, the disciples preached about it... You can't get this information from any secular, non-Biblical source.
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  An Expert Explains the Beginning of Christianity with Dr Richard Carrier

  by Rocketman123 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  here is an interesting discussion about how christianity probably began.

  hierarchical political interest may have been involved.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=civ8gscbo_g.

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  john.prestor

  Your 12 claims are just "The Bible is true." That's what they come down to, they're a summary of what the Bible claims happened in texts like Matthew, Acts, etc.

  i might, might, give you 1 of 12. Might. That would be that a guy named Jesus was crucified in the 1st century CE. But even that is up for debate.
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  An Expert Explains the Beginning of Christianity with Dr Richard Carrier

  by Rocketman123 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  here is an interesting discussion about how christianity probably began.

  hierarchical political interest may have been involved.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=civ8gscbo_g.

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  john.prestor

  I would argue the talk of 500 witnesses is a late interpolation in 1 Corinthians. Someone wrote that into the earlier letter when they were copying it.

  Regardless, I've never found another text which speaks of Jesus appearing to 500 people at once.
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  An Expert Explains the Beginning of Christianity with Dr Richard Carrier

  by Rocketman123 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  here is an interesting discussion about how christianity probably began.

  hierarchical political interest may have been involved.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=civ8gscbo_g.

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  john.prestor

  The 500 witnesses is apparently from The Acts of Philip. Jesus makes an appearance in Athens to 500 Jews who convert on the spot.
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  Police raid a Kingdom Hall in Norway and question elders

  by cachito in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  police raid a kingdom hall in norway of jehovah's witnesses and question elders.jehovah's witnesses want to cooperate with the police and explain why they have an arc of alleged crimes.

  they claim that their elders are priests and must maintain confidentiality ... however ... the watchtower headquarters does not ask elders to refer to themselves as priests, that would be a disfellowshipping offense.

  and they do not ask their elders to maintain confidentiality ... they must give the information to high ranking officials within the watchtower hierarchy.

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  john.prestor

  It's funny how they throw the priest hat on whenever they need to wear it. Priests my ass. I mean... they act and are priests in practice, but then they refuse to use that title until the police come knocking.
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  Why a 1914 Return Date is Impossible

  by Sea Breeze in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  revelation 20:2-3. and he [jesus] laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the devil, and satan, and bound him a thousand years,.

  and cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.. we see that the millennial reign begins with satan being bound.

  he will be bound for 1000 years.

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  john.prestor

  Around every corner and every Smurf doll, love it :P
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  An Expert Explains the Beginning of Christianity with Dr Richard Carrier

  by Rocketman123 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  here is an interesting discussion about how christianity probably began.

  hierarchical political interest may have been involved.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=civ8gscbo_g.

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  john.prestor

  Sea Breeze, you lost me at the empty tomb. There was no tomb and it wouldn't matter if it was empty anyway. An empty tomb would prove an empty tomb. What you really have are texts: you have claims that there was a tomb and the tomb was empty, claims made in Greek some 40+ years later (at least). Your argument comes down to Believe the Bible. But I don't believe the Bible, I'm an atheist.

  Food for thought.
  
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  Systemic Racism: What’s Your View? Is it As Pervasive As Some Suggest?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the president of the united states says we have to do something about this.

  many politicians and people agree that we are all affected by the scourge of systemic racism.

  what’s your view of this?

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  john.prestor

  Now now, let's be civil :P Its in the news, ill link some stories in a minute.
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  Systemic Racism: What’s Your View? Is it As Pervasive As Some Suggest?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the president of the united states says we have to do something about this.

  many politicians and people agree that we are all affected by the scourge of systemic racism.

  what’s your view of this?

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  john.prestor

  Oh please, open your eyes.