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  Prayer BANNED for Public Talks in KH's...

  by The Fall Guy in

  1. watchtower
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  ........back in 1949!.

  w50 3/15 p. 96 letters - "jesus held many public lectures, but there is no record that he opened or closed any of them with prayer....surely those of the public who are not of the christian faith do not turn out to our meetings in order to join with us in prayer to our god, but solely to hear the speech which is the drawing feature.

  so we give them that and do not think to impose upon them by attaching something else to the lecture which might offend or stumble them before they hear the speech they came for.

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  john.prestor

  'Jesus held many public lectures...'

  Their anachronistic wording will never fail to crack me up. Did he hand out fliers?
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  report from vomitville and financials

  by jonahstourguide in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i attended a circuit arsesemblancey today.

  melbourne, melton arsembley hall.

  western suburbs area.. 1. re hearing negative reports in the media about jws.

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  john.prestor

  They sent 10k to Warwick? That's... quite the donation. I wouldn't be happy hearing that either.
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  Facing future events with courage....Will Mark compromise?

  by RULES & REGULATIONS in

  1. watchtower
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  mark was facing serious pressure at work compromising his neutrality.

  he is asked to join a protest at his employment that is facing cutbacks and layoffs.

  mark will not join the protest or sign the sheet.

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  Like hoser said: the Governing Body does whatever they need to do to to maintain the faith's international foothold and, more importantly, ensure their own (relatively) leisurely and luxurious lifestyle. They don't want Mark participating, assuming they actively think about these things (they probably do from time to time), because Mark might enjoy the protest emotionally, might realize his coworkers aren't just drunkards and adulterers, and might figure out that sometimes, not always, but sometimes, political action actually succeeds, i.e., the only hope for humanity isn't the kingdom, but humanity itself.
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  Discontinue unproductive bible study - jw broadcasting

  by Gorbatchov in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  https://tv.jw.org/#en/mediaitems/latestvideos/pub-ism_2_video.

  interesting video explaining how to end a bible study.. watch the kind of uber behaviour of the witnesses: make a choice or we leave.... so hard, so not christian.

  no love for the person.. g..

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  I saw this video the other day and I wondered about it too. I think it's just a technique they're teaching Jehovah's Witnesses who have Bible studies, they want them to pressure their 'students' to convert, they need converts these days and they need money, and if somebody won't join up (that's explicit) and cough up the money (that's implicit in membership, you donate once you get baptized, you volunteer your labor, you feed COs) well, to hell with them... politely. That's what I take away from this video.
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  Dilemma of Shunning Policy

  by Drearyweather in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  apologies if this topic has been discussed earlier.. i was thinking of whether demanding for a ban on shunning policy would be beneficial for the larger society.

  following are some things that we need to remember while advocating the issue:.

  1. shunning is not limited to jw's and for many americans, it is not that controversial as it seems.. 2. jw shunning is not a dark secret policy.

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  john.prestor

  I don't agree with the court in the Anderson case, Jehovah's Witnesses don't tell you that they're going to shun you until you're already an unbaptized publisher, that's when they give you the Organized book, and the Organized book explains that they shun people. By the time you're an unbaptized publisher they can already shame you, they can take that status away, they'll announce it publicly, and if you leave Jehovah's Witnesses will (often, most likely) shun you whether that's official policy or not. Jehovah's Witnesses don't sign up to be shunned. They throw that in right at the end once it's much harder for you to say No thanks.
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  Another Repetitive JW Public Talk: What's the Kingdom Doing For Us Now?

  by RULES & REGULATIONS in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this young fool (who is probably a born-in ) is no older than 35 years of age.

  i started attending meetings before he was even born.

  little does he know that you and i and millions of others have listened to this same themed talk, ''what's the kingdom doing for us now,'' in 1972. .

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  john.prestor

  I get what you're getting at. I guess I just feel for the kid, it sounds like you might too at some level. I wasn't quite there, you guys know I wasn't a Jehovah's Witness, but I was pretty close, the Baptists deceived me pretty good. I hope he figures it out sooner than later.
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  Another Repetitive JW Public Talk: What's the Kingdom Doing For Us Now?

  by RULES & REGULATIONS in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this young fool (who is probably a born-in ) is no older than 35 years of age.

  i started attending meetings before he was even born.

  little does he know that you and i and millions of others have listened to this same themed talk, ''what's the kingdom doing for us now,'' in 1972. .

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  Rules and Regulations, that's dark. I wonder how that kid would react if you told him that. Honestly, I think you'd stun him, I'm sure he'd interpret it away or get mad or run or whatever but... that's powerful, 47 years later... oh god, oh god.
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  Mind Numbing Meetings

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  without a doubt, jw life is boring.

  and those meetings!

  5 congregation meetings, meetings for field service, elders meetings, judicial meetings, meetings to figure out who was qualified to clean the toilets....🤔.

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  zeb, you just laid it down, I love it. You're exactly right: That's the silent perks of being on the Governing Body, or being any kind of Bethel 'heavy' as they say. I love when they deny they get anything out of this... of course they do, we all know it, they can't even deceive Witnesses much anymore that's why the money's drying up.
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  "This system will probably be over in about 5 years"

  by john.prestor in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i don't think i shared this story yet, it's strange and although i did a little detective work trying to figure out who said what and when i never found out much, big surprise, jehovah's witnesses love their secrets as we all know... but i thought other posters might find this interesting both in and of itself, because of what an elder told me one sunday back in 2011, and because of what it could imply as to high-ranking jehovah's witnesses prophesying the date of armageddon.

  specific dates went out the window in 1975, although governing body helper ken flodin hinted at 2040 in a talk uploaded to jw.org a couple years back, and the governing body hinted at 2034 in a watchtower back in the 90s.

  but it might be, just might, that more specific date-setting still goes on behind closed doors in certain circuits.... so after i went to "meetings" and talked to witnesses for a couple years at a rural congregation in the eastern united states an elder pulled me aside one service into the vestibule at the hall, in other words, into a private area where no one would overhear us.

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  I don't get it either. I get it back in the 50s and 60s because of the Cold War and the Cuban missile crisis, that I get. But how long can you peddle the same old stuff? I mean seriously, how long? I think many Jehovah's Witnesses are too ashamed to admit the organization tricked them, maybe individual Witnesses didn't, there's good people in this faith, but... at the top, the leaders know, some of them know at least, that it's a big con by this point: Armageddon will not come, and they all but admitted that by moving to Warwick. Just... how long will Jehovah's Witnesses let these people mislead them? I know people join for different reasons, I know people join for community and identify and what not. But they sell people on paradise, and then paradise never comes, that's gotta be in the back of their minds, enough of them at least. Enough is enough, there's no shame in folding your hand and saying, I'm out, when the deck is stacked against you and the winners are in cahoots.
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  "This system will probably be over in about 5 years"

  by john.prestor in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i don't think i shared this story yet, it's strange and although i did a little detective work trying to figure out who said what and when i never found out much, big surprise, jehovah's witnesses love their secrets as we all know... but i thought other posters might find this interesting both in and of itself, because of what an elder told me one sunday back in 2011, and because of what it could imply as to high-ranking jehovah's witnesses prophesying the date of armageddon.

  specific dates went out the window in 1975, although governing body helper ken flodin hinted at 2040 in a talk uploaded to jw.org a couple years back, and the governing body hinted at 2034 in a watchtower back in the 90s.

  but it might be, just might, that more specific date-setting still goes on behind closed doors in certain circuits.... so after i went to "meetings" and talked to witnesses for a couple years at a rural congregation in the eastern united states an elder pulled me aside one service into the vestibule at the hall, in other words, into a private area where no one would overhear us.

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  No way, no no no, why would that mean anything? I can't do it. These people are too much for me.