Posts by Exelder

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What was the last thing you said to your jw family?

by caves in

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7 years ago i had my last conversation with the toxic jw that mostly raised me.

every conversation was toxic for my entire adult life with her.

the last time we spoke was right before the memorial 7 years ago and she was laying on the usual heavy guilt and fear mongering about how jeho counts his people at the memorial.

Exelder

I left my elderly mother crying and begging that "I return to Jehovah" because Armageddon is so real to her and she honestly thinks I am going to die. It was heartbreaking and pathetic (in the truest sense of the word) at the same time.

I never got a chance to have any last words with my wife or children. They refused to answer any phone calls or messages.

As a born-in I walked away without a single friend in the world and was scared witless at what was going to become of me.

I now have made new fiends ...kinder, genuine friends that are much better than than the ones 'in the truth' and they are all given strict instructions never ever to inform any of my blood JW members if anything happens to me. They have lost the right to know anything about me now.

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Suicides

by new boy in

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friends

i have been on the phone the last to two weeks calling people i've known over the last forty years most of who are still jehovah's witnesses.

some of these people who didn't know i was "out" talked to me and some who knew i was "out" still talked to me.

some of the those people are even elders.. by book new boy will be dedicated to all the people who have killed themselves because of being a jehovah's witness or knowing others who were jehovah's witnesses.

Exelder

"I'm sure in the end we all really what the same thing don't we? "

Absolutely Keith.

Like I said in my earlier post, I admire, your determination and dedication (I meant it sincerely).

I hadn't read your other excepts, and so I did as others suggested and did some research, and saw what you are doing. I can see why so many people respect your work. It was just THIS thread of naming names that I didn't feel comfortable with.

I wish you a lot of success with your book and hope it makes a difference to peoples lives and exposes the JW religion for what it is.

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Funny ex-jw memes

by Apostate Anonymous in

backstory:.

so my born-in cousin who recently left the org is looking to start an ex-jw / group instagram based in socal.

he asked me if i had any ideas for a photo that can used for the instagram page and this is what i made for him:.

Exelder

Some of these as well as being funny are very poignant.

The Noah and the cart one is so powerful.

The JW's believe that we are all going to die and THEIR way of spreading the 'life-saving' message is with a cart....no urgency, no compassion, no fear for our welfare. Just hour counting to put on a report.

They don't believe it any more than we do.

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Suicides

by new boy in

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friends

i have been on the phone the last to two weeks calling people i've known over the last forty years most of who are still jehovah's witnesses.

some of these people who didn't know i was "out" talked to me and some who knew i was "out" still talked to me.

some of the those people are even elders.. by book new boy will be dedicated to all the people who have killed themselves because of being a jehovah's witness or knowing others who were jehovah's witnesses.

Exelder

"The book will talk about why and how two people killed themselves. People that I hold myself partly responsible for there actions.

So don't worry guys there wouldn't be hundreds of random names listed."

Glad to hear it.

"I said this book would rile a lot of people up. I hasn't even been published yet and it looks like it has already accomplished that."

Not for the reasons you think.

Good luck with it. I admire your dedication and determination.

PS. I laughed at your "what is your name?" joke lol

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Suicides

by new boy in

jw
friends

i have been on the phone the last to two weeks calling people i've known over the last forty years most of who are still jehovah's witnesses.

some of these people who didn't know i was "out" talked to me and some who knew i was "out" still talked to me.

some of the those people are even elders.. by book new boy will be dedicated to all the people who have killed themselves because of being a jehovah's witness or knowing others who were jehovah's witnesses.

Exelder

"And he can look from the outside and see what was going on in peoples lives right before they killed themselves and draw reasonable inferences, if thats your standard."

Except he can't as he asking for names of people that he doesn't know and wants to name them regardless of family wishes. He has NO idea what they were going through if he doesn't known them.

Again, his intent, as expressed right the way through this thread is to bring the organisation down.

If he achieves that, I will eat humble pie and literally bow down at his feet to thank him.

PS. Newboy has since acknowledged he won't put random names in the book. Good move.

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Suicides

by new boy in

jw
friends

i have been on the phone the last to two weeks calling people i've known over the last forty years most of who are still jehovah's witnesses.

some of these people who didn't know i was "out" talked to me and some who knew i was "out" still talked to me.

some of the those people are even elders.. by book new boy will be dedicated to all the people who have killed themselves because of being a jehovah's witness or knowing others who were jehovah's witnesses.

Exelder

"As for his motives, you cant speak to that anymore than he can speak to someones reasons for taking their own life."

Morpheus, I don't have time to cut and paste all the angry "this book is going to destroy and bring down the organisation and the people in it" type posts, but basically it is in virtually every single one of his posts in THIS thread about the book.

So yes, I can see his motives. They are VERY clear. HE has made himself very clear,

Naming people, alive or dead, without their permission is morally wrong. I'd be interested in seeing what he does with the book without those names.

His book doesn't look into any of the history of why these people might have killed themselves. I am sure the Borg contributed to it, but there could be all sorts of other contributing factors to it (bipolar etc)

If he can write a well-balanced, non-emotive book based on facts and real journalism then I will be interested and will applaud it, but none of his posts on this thread indicate that.

Ps. Sparkys dedication is a good one

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Suicides

by new boy in

jw
friends

i have been on the phone the last to two weeks calling people i've known over the last forty years most of who are still jehovah's witnesses.

some of these people who didn't know i was "out" talked to me and some who knew i was "out" still talked to me.

some of the those people are even elders.. by book new boy will be dedicated to all the people who have killed themselves because of being a jehovah's witness or knowing others who were jehovah's witnesses.

Exelder

How many suicide names might you add to your book once you expose someone who has talked to you and is mentally struggling right now?

That is such a good point.

I know that if MY name had been plastered on an ex-JW website for everybody to see, I would be devestated and so worried about the repucussions because I would not have a support plan in place.

It took me years to work up to the point that I was able to leave...on my own terms and not having somebody 'out; me.

Everything about this book and the motives behind it is bitter and vengeful. It doesn't have any credibity at all.

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Suicides

by new boy in

jw
friends

i have been on the phone the last to two weeks calling people i've known over the last forty years most of who are still jehovah's witnesses.

some of these people who didn't know i was "out" talked to me and some who knew i was "out" still talked to me.

some of the those people are even elders.. by book new boy will be dedicated to all the people who have killed themselves because of being a jehovah's witness or knowing others who were jehovah's witnesses.

Exelder

"It's about real people with real names who have been who killed themselves while they were Jehovah's Witnesses.

What were the reasons they did this, I guess we'll never know."

Exactly. There could be any number of mental issues involved...and here you are wanting to post their names in a book for everybody else to see without doing any research or having access to medical files etc.

It is so insensitve.

You just don't 'get it' do you.

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New JW.org Logo

by Not_Culty in

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Exelder

That is such a clever image. Very powerful. No words needed.

I can see me in the pic..the 3rd one from the right on the bottom row.....running away as fast as my little legs can carry me. lol

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What JW habits do you still have?

by Exelder in

since leaving the jw's after over 4 decades, i can see exactly what it is and hate everything it stands for.

however, there are still some jw habits and traits that i can't get rid of:.

1. i can't swear in general conversation (i'd have to be really angry).

Exelder

Still Totally ADD

"where ever we go we are first to get there"

Oh I can relate to that.

We always used to arrive at the meetings at least 30 minutes before it started and because I used to volunteer at the conventions, we had to be there for 7:00am!!! (I still feel sorry for my wife and family who had to sit IN THE CAR while I was working until the doors officially opened at 8:00am while the heirachy used to let their wives and family come in early and sit in the comfy area in the convention suites. It used to make all the other volunteers so angry!!!!!)

PS. What does ADD mean? I am still trying to come to terms with the abbeviations.