"Not by the looks of the replies. I think you're quite rude."
I wonder if the 25 + replies from others accurately represents the majority of users on here? Not to be sarcastic, but that was a useless reply...
pomo6780
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Stop harassing jws
by pomo6780 inwe want people to learn ttatt.
we have numerous resources online to draw jws in so that they will wake up.
however, i've noted some radical methods that have been used by fellow exjws, and quite frankly, this must stop.
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pomo6780
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Stop harassing jws
by pomo6780 inwe want people to learn ttatt.
we have numerous resources online to draw jws in so that they will wake up.
however, i've noted some radical methods that have been used by fellow exjws, and quite frankly, this must stop.
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pomo6780
I understand where you are coming from with some of this, but...
It's not normal for a total stranger to confront a person for their religious beliefs and use emotional tactics to win them over. A strange man speaking to a woman in the street could frighten her view of strangers. It has happened
Isn't this exactly what JW's do in the preaching work ??? "
... in response, read my previous comments. You're right, but my point was confrontation... jws aren't trained to confront. They are wimps.
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Stop harassing jws
by pomo6780 inwe want people to learn ttatt.
we have numerous resources online to draw jws in so that they will wake up.
however, i've noted some radical methods that have been used by fellow exjws, and quite frankly, this must stop.
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pomo6780
Punkofnice,
I thought you said you'd keep your gob shut?
Rudeness is relative. The words on a screen cannot be heard accurately by the reader. If I'm rude, it's because you've got a guilty conscience for some reason or perhaps are too sensitive. Don't take my comments too seriously, it wasn't directed at any individual... so please don't victimise yourself. This is the Internet, a place where ideas vary greatly, you'll never read anything non controversial.
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Stop harassing jws
by pomo6780 inwe want people to learn ttatt.
we have numerous resources online to draw jws in so that they will wake up.
however, i've noted some radical methods that have been used by fellow exjws, and quite frankly, this must stop.
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pomo6780
Another concern that may arise is this.
Perhaps your children grow up and have their own families. They are not jws. 10 - 15 years down the line, one of them comes forward and accuses you of coercion with regards stopping them from attending meetings or monitoring their activity on their phones, and also neglect with regards sexual matters (helping them as they reach puberty, to understand what is happening to their bodies). Neither of you are jw. However, your views have been influenced by the Borg and also after leaving the jws. How will you reconcile in your mind how your behaviour could harm your children whilst raising them, who may never become jws anyway? I've met some exjws who have children not in the org because they hate how their exjw parent treated them. Some of those people I know have shunned both their parents and become atheists.
I don't want to upset anyone here. I apologize for this post. I had to let this out however, because sometimes the problem is a combination of the organization and our leaving it that negatively affects others. Just a thought for everyone here.
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Stop harassing jws
by pomo6780 inwe want people to learn ttatt.
we have numerous resources online to draw jws in so that they will wake up.
however, i've noted some radical methods that have been used by fellow exjws, and quite frankly, this must stop.
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pomo6780
Venus - I totally agree with you.
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Stop harassing jws
by pomo6780 inwe want people to learn ttatt.
we have numerous resources online to draw jws in so that they will wake up.
however, i've noted some radical methods that have been used by fellow exjws, and quite frankly, this must stop.
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pomo6780
Punkofnice,
"Would I be right in saying that the main thrust of your post is, to use a metaphor, you catch a wasp with sugar not vinegar?"
In response to that, you can interpret my intention of posting however you wish. It's quite clear that I've specifically condemned the over the top methods. Conversing with them in a calm way is no problem in my mind. As for children, the same should be done for them. Plant seeds, not trees.
This is going to be a very debatable subject. Expect lots of comments.
I know, I anticipated this beforehand. And at the end of the day it doesn't matter, because whatever anyone posts is visible in the public domain. You are what you comment.
I'm keeping my gob shut on this one
Self restraint is a noble course if you are set in your ways. So be it, however. Please know this, I speak for the heart of this community.
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Stop harassing jws
by pomo6780 inwe want people to learn ttatt.
we have numerous resources online to draw jws in so that they will wake up.
however, i've noted some radical methods that have been used by fellow exjws, and quite frankly, this must stop.
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pomo6780
Humanity is lost when people attack others for no reason. Complete strangers confronting others is not normal. Complete strangers approaching, yes. There is a difference. I do not agree with being angry or causing a scene at a jw cart. You could in the UK be causing an offence to Public Order. I did research officially and yes, the police in the UK would view it as an offence. Also recording others without their consent and posting online with the intent of harming their reputation is an offence. It is a violation of privacy. You may have a right to film in public, but no right to use videos without a specific person's consent.
To all irate and abusive exjws. Don't you go round giving this community a bad name. We're here to educate and support damaged people. We don't want you here if you carry on misrepresenting us as a community. Sorry to sound jw in this way.
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Stop harassing jws
by pomo6780 inwe want people to learn ttatt.
we have numerous resources online to draw jws in so that they will wake up.
however, i've noted some radical methods that have been used by fellow exjws, and quite frankly, this must stop.
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pomo6780
To clarify. This post was not for those here who are trying to reason around what I said, which they are entitled to do. Everyone differs in opinion.
What the point of this post is this: When you harrass jws, cult that damages people, why the hell damage them in return? That's like pulling a child out of an abusive household and once you'e adopted that child, you remind him of his abuse. Does that make sense?
And on children, I fully agree that children are children and are not yet developed properly. But oh my, could I go on. Children aren't stupid. I literally remember seeing hypocrisy and connected the dots. They may be developing, but the human brain develops at different rates per human. I think it's fair to say we'd never want to see our children become jws at any age. I think the cruel thing is making them believe they have to wait til the age of consent until they can join a religion, then when you get to that point you still express your disapproval and try to keep them living with you for as long as possible. Let them grow up as their own people I say.
A double post? How has this harassed or upset anyone here? I was condemning abusive and manipulative exjws. Anyone offended are either abusers themselves or sympathisers. There are many here who are against this like I am as some comments have shown.
Nevertheless, I am not angry. In Spock's own words, "Emotion... highly illogical".
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Stop harassing jws
by pomo6780 inwe want people to learn ttatt.
we have numerous resources online to draw jws in so that they will wake up.
however, i've noted some radical methods that have been used by fellow exjws, and quite frankly, this must stop.
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pomo6780
We want people to learn TTATT. We have numerous resources online to draw jws in so that they will wake up. However, I've noted some radical methods that have been used by fellow exjws, and quite frankly, this must stop. There are better ways to wake up jws.
Let me give you examples of what isn't smart and why. These aren't rules, but you will see the reason behind what I say.
Confrontation. This may be you approaching a jw at a cart or while they are going in and out of their meeting places or conventions. While some will say this increases their persecution complex, I will say that in addition, it does have a damaging effect upon the mind. It's not normal for a total stranger to confront a person for their religious beliefs and use emotional tactics to win them over. A strange man speaking to a woman in the street could frighten her view of strangers. It has happened. Would we do that for jws? They don't deserve it, wouldn't we much rather want them on our side, unhurt by us?
Emotional manipulation. If your wife or husband is still a jw, and you have kids who go to meetings. You don't want them to go. Fair enough. But how are you to know how they'll feel about it later in life? What if they as adults accuse you of manipulating them to be atheists, causing them to miss out on "freedom of worship"? I can say for cetainty from personal observation in the org, this has happened many times. Why tell them they should not get baptised at 13, 14, 15.. when they only find out later you planned ahead so that when they reached adulthood they would be discouraged and pressured into listening to your advice? Just be honest and say you never want them as baptised jws. Enough with toying with your kids lives, let them have the freedom you wished to have. This point I know, will get a lot of backlash. But I stand in my opinion that you either are a witness and automatically make a disciple out of your kid, or you become exjw and make sure your kid is an anti-witness. Same as the cult procedure, you're using their lives to become your personal vision for them.
Better ways to tell TTATT.
There are normal, respectful people in this world. However, many of us are damaged mentally or emotionally by trauma of abuse, neglect, or absolute abandonment. It is understandable then that some exjws will act in bizarre ways to shock some and please others. Instead of going into a meeting and disrupting its process by talking or shouting about child abuse, why not hand jws printed information in sealed envelopes? That could be the most discreet and effective way to fool naive minds. Instead of protesting in public, scare them in silent methods by arranging the media to publish information about child abuse in the Borg. Instead of approaching carts and verbally abusing jws, perhaps even pulling away or pushing over their carts, just walk past them. Ignore them. Let them die out by your not giving them attention. And as for your kids, feed them with doubts. As they get older, show them Cedars videos as they'll see a man who isn't a bitter 'apostate'. Don't push them for anything. They are their own people. You'll learn that when they have families of their own.
This is not the community to be provoked, to attack others for their beliefs. It is a cult. But let's remember that they can change. We are proof of that.
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Did You Know “Weird JWs” When You Were In The Organization?
by minimus init could be argued that all jws are weird.
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i’m referring to really weird odd witnesses.. most of the oddballs that i remember were elders..
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pomo6780
The never baptised jw teenagers who always called themselves jws on social media.
They follow "jw accounts". They get seen by older jws who are strangers who send them messages assuming they're baptised until the teenagers upload a 'distasteful' post.
While in you would think, for crying out loud, be honest and say you're not baptised, you're only there for the social circles.