Posts by zophar

I think one of the most startling things to me that would appear indefensible, is the DELIBERATE editing out of what was printed in the original publication and replacing it with entirely new wording. Like the preaching work being completed in 20th century to the more obscure "in our day." I think showing those comments side by side would at the very least cause one to pause and think no matter how devout. They might not admit it, the seed of doubt is planted.

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The Pope Tells Trump He's Not A Christian

by minimus in

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this should be fun.

building a wall is unchristian.

i can't understand why the pope is getting involved in american politics.. poor donald..

zophar

It will be interesting to hear the Pope's follow up comments. I'm not sure he understood the full ramifications of what he was saying and how it would be reported. For instance, was he speaking about literal walls or was he using it figuratively since he also mentioned building bridges?

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The Bread Illustration (Feb 16 Broadcast) - Massive Contradiction

by fizzle in

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so... bro flodin puts poison onto the first loaf of bread and says that this pictures someone "sinning against the holy spirit".

he then puts the bread into the trash can stating that jehovah completely discards anyone "sinning against the holy spirit"... meaning they cannot ever be forgiven...he says that the pharisees "sinned against the holy spirit" because they denied indisputable evidence of the operation of jehovah's holy spirit displayed by jesus... therefore jehovah would completely discard them... no way back for them.. fast forward a little... we have the bible character stephen...acts 6:8 says: now stephen, full of divine favor and power, was performing great wonders and signs among the people.so stephen was showing indisputable evidence of the operation of jehovah's holy spirit.now we come to the bible character paul (saul)... he was a pharisee.paul would have seen stephen in action... witnessing the indisputable evidence of the operation of jehovah's holy spirit first hand!yet paul not only waged war against all christians but he personally approved the killing (stoning) of stephen.according to the bread illustration paul should have been discarded by jehovah at this point for "sinning against the holy spirit"... he would have been put in the trash can... no way back at all...but what happened according to the bible?

jesus appeared to him on the road to damascus... he became one of the most zealous apostles in bible history with jehovah's full support!so what on earth is the bread illustration all about?

zophar

I agree with nowwhat? Great point about Paul.

I think it was the old Aid book that said the "unforgivable sin" was, "denying an obvious manifestation of the holy spirit." The example used of the religious leaders bribing the soldiers assigned to guard Jesus tomb for them not to speak of Jesus resurrection even though those leaders knew what the soldiers had seen. Their interest was in preserving their position and denying Jesus. What else could be done to convince them? Therefore they were guilty of unforgivable sin.

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Congrats to Kim Mikey!

by awake!watcher in

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congrats to kim mikey, mike and kim reached 3000 subscribers on their youtube channel!

go check em out!

zophar

I have never been able to watch one of their videos all the way through. Personally find them disgusting. It's not a Who's your favorite apostate contest, but I really think they do more harm than good in reasonably exposing JW error. I find their approach to be the exact opposite of someone like Ray Franz.

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JW's Funerals, Forget About The Person! Let's Preach.

by new boy in

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god forbid you would talk about the dead person at his funeral.

so what do most people get after living 70-80 years?.

a 5-10 minutes eulogy.

zophar

Performed many funerals and, for many years, have not followed the provided outline. My talk was all about the person and how they lived their life. I think the worse thing you could do would be to try to preach doctrine or recruit. The persons life course speaks loudly enough, no matter how important they were in the organization.

It is a time for providing comfort not preaching.

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