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  Cnn health

  by poopie in

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  nice article cnn health.what do people talk about before they die?.

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  http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/20/health/what-people-talk-about-before-dying-kerry-egan/index.html
  
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  My oldest friend, Quincy Roberts, Ex-JW died last night at age 66

  by TerryWalstrom in

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  the first time i walked into a kingdom hall, i was about 15 years old.

  i shook hands with a 12-year-old named quincy.

  as time passed and we grew older, quincy hung out with us older j-dubs.

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  Terry:

  It is so hard watching friends around you die. We are just at that age when we start saying things we used to hear our parents say. "Oh I can't believe so and so died" every time an entertainer or actor dies.

  I see where one of your old neighbors, Malcolm Allen died. Did some Convention work with him in Fort Worth back in the day.

  Be glad you and your friend got to live an authentic life with eyes open. Interesting comment that your friendship was during the pre North Korean JW lifestyle. Some friendships do survive in spite of the iron hand. Be glad that you were there for each other as true companions down till the end.

  So sorry for your loss.

  Zophar
  
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  The Forward to My New Book "New Boy 50 years a Watchtower Slave"

  by new boy in

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  the forward the following story is my fifty year relationship with the watchtower bible and tract society otherwise known as the jehovah witnesses.

  it started when i was just two years old and ended just one week after 9/11, 2001 just three weeks before my fifty second birthday.

  i was basically raised in that thought system i became a full time minister in my late teens.

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  Great post and analogies!
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  Elder asking for help

  by untruth in

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  this is my first time posting on here so i’m not sure where to start.

  i’m trying to keep it as short as possible since i could expand much more.

  i’ve been in the process of waking up in the last year and a half.

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  Dear Untruth

  I have similar circumstances except older and longer time as an elder. Glad you woke up about 20 yrs younger than I did!

  I have found it helpful to mention how many of the terms we use are not even in the Bible. Like overlap and organization etc. Also, why did we adjust so many times if Jehovah was leading. Generation, we have changed our understanding at least 6 different times. Or Superior Authorities, we said at first it was the governments, then Jehovah and then back to the governments...how is that "tacking" or an adjustment, why would we be directed away from a more correct understanding to an incorrect one and then back to the correct one?

  You have a real challenge ahead of you and I am sorry for you. My wife finally started agreeing with me when she didn't have the answers herself. Also, I have been able to voice opinions to more open minded ones in the cong without acting like a doubter but just, "I can't get my head around this overlapping generation understanding, how about you?" Amazing that this seems to be a signal for them to open up and freely express their doubts, then when alone I comment on this to my wife, "seems like they are struggling with this too." Very helpful, since it is them saying it as well not just me.

  The recent WT Study on undeserved kindness opened the way for some good discussions as well. I mentioned how I used to belittle the, "saved by grace" comments would get in FS but really, they have it right. How nice not to feel condemned or pushed, but just enjoying God's favor or undeserved kindness and being less hard on myself thinking I'm never good enough.

  I use the Interlinear a lot as well and I always strive to share interesting things I learn from this publication, produced by the FDS, to show the inconsistencies.

  I hope things work out for you. This is a long journey if you wish to preserve your marriage and you will have many ups and downs. I really empathize with you.
  
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  What is the Education Level of the Governing Body members?

  by Wild_Thing in

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  i would love to compile a list of the education obtained by the governing body members both past and present.

  can anyone provide any information to get me started?.

  it still amazes me they think they can translate ancient languages with an 8th grade education.

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  I know Fred Franz had some college, not sure he graduated. Also, I believe Albert Schroeder had some university courses as well. I believe both of them were on the original NWT translating committee.

  Interestingly, Schroeder's son is reported to have went to University and is now an attorney.

  I'm sure that Geoffrey Jackson was instrumental in the newest version of NWT. His biography mentions no university training at all.
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  Is changing the "truth" / presenting "new light" really so bad?

  by Zana in

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  playing devil's advocate here.... what's the difference between the gb changing bible interpretations compared to parliaments all over the world changing laws?

  although the us constitution (=bible) remains untouched, congress passes i don't know how many new laws every year.

  and of course people are expected to follow them.

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  notsurewheretogo

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  You both make excellent arguments, perhaps you should join the Legislature or Parliament!

  I understand the Mormon Church believes the US Constitution is a document inspired by God. Others however might view it as a wise document capable of changing interpretation with time and circumstance. In that way, a living document. The Bible makes the claim that it too is a living document.

  Heb 4:12 "For the word of God is alive and exerts power"

  So, like the constitution, does that mean that changing times might call for changing understandings. The problem is that the GB feel they are the only ones that can read the Bible's pulse. So you get the terrible situations as discussed by notsurewheretogo above. That position causes pain, depression, anger and even death.

  The change in accepting blood fractions, alternative military service and the change in laws regulating marital sexual relations cost people their association with friends, divorce and even death because of adjusted views!

  Perhaps, if JW's had stayed Bible Students instead of claiming to be arbiters of truth they would experience more peace and less depression and anger in the ranks.
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  What Songs Best Fit you when you learned TATT and Afterwards?

  by Wasanelder Once in

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  the work of john lennon best fit my situation.

  first, i found out.

  i found out.

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  Rascal Flatts: I'm Moving On

  I've dealt with my ghosts and I've faced all my demons
  Finally content with a past I regret
  I've found you find strength in your moments of weakness
  For once I'm at peace with myself
  I've been burdened with blame, trapped in the past for too long
  I'm movin' on
  
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  Morning Woship: Kenneth Flodin targets "apostates"

  by Sanchy in

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  video is entitled "beware of deceit" he uses the letter of jude to show that current day apostates are deceitful and that they use "trickery" to and "twist facts" to try to "grab our mind".

  warning: your head might explode.

  especially past the 5:30 mark.

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  "He would have the light of the Scriptures" ??

  If that were true, wouldn't JW's still be using Studies in the Scriptures? After two years or ten years of studying those volumes wouldn't I still be an apostate according to current JW teaching?
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  Morning Woship: Kenneth Flodin targets "apostates"

  by Sanchy in

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  video is entitled "beware of deceit" he uses the letter of jude to show that current day apostates are deceitful and that they use "trickery" to and "twist facts" to try to "grab our mind".

  warning: your head might explode.

  especially past the 5:30 mark.

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  James Mixon

  Agree wholeheartedly!
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  Morning Woship: Kenneth Flodin targets "apostates"

  by Sanchy in

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  video is entitled "beware of deceit" he uses the letter of jude to show that current day apostates are deceitful and that they use "trickery" to and "twist facts" to try to "grab our mind".

  warning: your head might explode.

  especially past the 5:30 mark.

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  I took a different view. I think they made a mistake arguing that the Scriptures would validate JW doctrine.

  JWFACTS.com is full of Scriptural reasoning on a number of doctrinal issues that clearly disprove much of JW dogma.

  Flodin asserts that opposers would be afraid to argue Scripture with a JW to prove a point. There are many examples such as 1 John 5:1 "Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ has been born from God, and everyone who loves the one who caused to be born loves him who has been born from that one." The marginal reference references John 3:3 In response Jesus said to him: “Most truly I say to you, unless anyone is born again, he cannot see the Kingdom of God.” Show that Scripture and the marginal reference....then shut up and wait for the explanation as to why everyone only means 144,000.

  Of course, reason and logic will not change the captive emotion of one who refuses to look objectively at the Bible. It does, however, show how much of a mistake WT is making with the statements from Flodin. True Bible students do not fear a Scriptural discussion with JW's.