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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened in
1. watchtower
2. scandals
original reddit post (removed).
TonusOH

LMsA: And the cherry on top is that he says he’s “seething”.
Maybe he can rub one out, to relax. It's the perfect time, too: there is no shortage of Christmas trees within easy reach.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened in
1. watchtower
2. scandals
original reddit post (removed).
TonusOH

slimboyfat: I see LE is also still insisting that people must guess what on earth he is talking about when he claims others have “lied” about him.
Yeah, I noticed that as well. He uses it as a way to accuse others without actually having to back up his claims.
Evans: "This person lied about me!"
Everyone else: "Oh? Where is the lie?"
Evans: "It's not my obligation to tell you!"
And he wonders why his reputation is in the toilet.
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Jehovah's Witnesses lose registration as a religious community in Norway
by RULES & REGULATIONS in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
https://www.statsforvalteren.no/nb/oslo-og-viken/folk-og-samfunn/tros--og-livssynssamfunn/jehovas-vitner-taper-registrering-som-trossamfunn/.

published december 22, 2022. the state manager in oslo and viken has decided to withdraw jehovah's witnesses registration as a religious community under the religious society act.. .

we sent a notice to jehovah's witnesses about possible loss of registration on october 25 this year.
TonusOH

You know you've got it good when "the government won't give us millions of dollars for nothing" is considered persecution and a sign of the end times.
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Who raised Jesus from the dead?
by Blotty in
1. watchtower
2. bible
i have seen arguments surrounding jesus' resurrection being proof of "the trinity" - now while in some cases it's a good argument the evidence for it remains very weak.

(bible quotes are from the nwt but other bibles are referenced, use whichever you please) this following version of it is a good example.. "the bible indicates that all [persons] of the trinity was involved in jesus’ resurrection.

galatians[1:1] says that the father raised jesus from the dead.
TonusOH

I just want to point out that it's not necessarily an either/or proposition. I don't rule out the supernatural or the existence of gods. I am simply not convinced by the ones put forth. Or, more accurately, by the concept of god as humans have typically constructed it- the supposed perfect interventionist who doesn't seem perfect and never appears to intervene. I'm not religious, so I am not obliged to accept a set of rigid beliefs if I am not convinced that they are true, or if I am not learned enough to determine that for myself.
Thus, I am not bound by any precepts of materialism or supernaturalism. I have no need to convince anyone of my stance on the origins of the universe, as I am neither qualified nor obligated to do so. Anyone who wishes to convince me would need to explain their reasons and their reasoning. I don't have the education necessary to understand high-level astronomy or physics, so you won't see me trying to convince someone that the universe is the exclusive result of material processes. Happily, the universe goes about its business --and I go about mine-- just fine without my ever needing to understand them.
And if god wishes to get my attention, I am sure she can figure something out.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened in
1. watchtower
2. scandals
original reddit post (removed).
TonusOH

If a vacation is defined to include 'not working,' then it seems to me that he takes vacations all the time.
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Search Warrants Issued for KH & Residence, CSA Arrest
by Tahoe in
1. watchtower
2. child-abuse
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full article .
TonusOH

A search warrant must state what the police/agents are seeking. Does anyone know what they are searching for in the kingdom halls? I would assume that there may be correspondence that would be sent between the WTS and the local congregation in regards to the accused. That's a pretty far reach, unless they have reason to think that such correspondence exists. Could it be that someone was questioned by the cops and indicated that there may be records pertaining to his actions in the congregation files?
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The MACALLAN immortality hope!
by BoogerMan in
1. watchtower
2. bible
if you drink macallan whisky, at armageddon you will become righteous immediately, a son of god, brother of christ, an immortal king/priest, and to cap it all, help all the un-righteous minions on earth grow to perfection gradually over the next 12,000 months.

no such 'growing' needed for macallan drinkers!

study watchtower september 2022 par.
TonusOH

The anointed will cooperate closely with Jesus Christ to direct the educational program that will be carried out here on earth during the 1,000 years.
Those do sound like the words of someone who has drained one too many bottles of booze.
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Report a corruption in a Kingdom Hall
by VictorGoh in
1. watchtower
2. child-abuse
how can i report a corruption in a kingdom hall?

can i escalate this to the jw headquarter?

any suggestions are appreciated..
TonusOH

It depends on what you mean by 'corruption.' If it's a crime, report it to the police. If it's an issue of people not following the organization's rules, call the Watchtower HQ. I'm sure things will be handled discreetly and in an ethical and even-handed manner.
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2022-12-19--Vaccination Requirement!
by Atlantis in
1. jw
2. friends
2022-12-19--vaccination requirement.. .

click image to enlarge.. .

https://postimg.cc/xxvbcwdv .
TonusOH

I have to admit, I'm surprised that they require 'full vaccination.' I wonder how that is being received at many congregations.
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The Gospel According to Jehovah's Witnesses
by Vanderhoven7 in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
mark jones explains the watchtower gospel much better than i can.. "the good news that christians in the first century preached was the birth, death and resurrection of jesus christ; that all those who believed in him were saved and reconciled to god through the death of his son.. unfortunately jehovah’s witnesses) have been led to believe it is something bizarrely different.

the good news according to the watchtower society is as follows:.

the the good news (according to jehovah’s witnesses).
TonusOH

proves conclusively
Look, I don't believe in god or that any miracles in any ancient books/texts happened. But I cringe anytime anyone claims to have "absolute proof" or "conclusive proof" for or against any of those claims. Those words are, at the very least, doing some very heavy lifting. Just give us the facts and let us figure things out.