Who raised Jesus from the dead?

Blotty

I have seen arguments surrounding Jesus' resurrection being proof of "the trinity" - now while in some cases it's a good argument The evidence for it remains very weak. (Bible quotes are from the NWT but other bibles are referenced, use whichever you please) This following version of it is a good example.

"The Bible indicates that all [persons] of The trinity was involved in Jesus’ resurrection. Galatians[1:1] says that the Father raised Jesus from the dead. 1 Peter 3:18 says that the Spirit raised Jesus from the dead (see also Romans, and note that Romans 8:11 clearly says that God will resurrect believers “through His Spirit”). And in John 2:19 Jesus predicts that He will raise Himself from the dead (see John 10:18). So, when we answer the question of who resurrected Jesus, we say 'God' did."

once again I'm going to clarify I may be wrong in some areas linguistically.

Word Pictures in the New Testament - A. T. Robertson : “Recall John 2:19 where Jesus said: ‘And in three days I will raise it up.’ He did not mean that he will raise himself from the dead independently of the Father as the active agent (Rom. 8:11).”

(https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/eng/rwp/john-10.html - under verse 18)

The dead also are "conscience" of nothing at all (Ecclesiastes 9:5) - worth taking into account.

John 5:19, John 5:30 - also worth noting

Jesus' "dual nature" theory can be disputed by a verse in Revelation where he is a spirit (So has his "divine" nature) yet is talking about being dead.. (Rev 1:17) - Which "nature" is he using here? Human or divine?

some take 1 Peter 3:18 as meaning the Holy Spirit - however this is erroneous purely based on the next verse, "in which" (Biblehub meaning) is a referral back to the word "spirit" - Jesus “says, ‘Where I am going, you cannot come.’” ... “You are from the realms below; I am from the realms above. You are from this world; I am not from this world.” (John 8:22, 23, NWT) - proving that flesh cannot enter heaven only spirit beings can. - which is where Jesus ascended. Jesus was made "spirit" or resurrected "in the spirit" (in spiritual form)

From my understanding there are 2 possible ways to understand Romans 8:11

1. God raised Jesus

2. The spirit raised Jesus

(I'm confusing myself trying to explain this myself)

Greek nouns must have the same number (,case?) and gender to which they refer back too.

"Spirit" is in the neuter gender therefore the later "ho" (The one , He who - NIV) cannot refer back to the Spirit but rather must refer back to God (in verse 3) and the earlier instance of God (verse 7, genitive) for the genitive "tou" (of him, NIV) in verse 11 none of which refer to the Spirit itself (both are masculine not neuter). as the "source" of the resurrection, We know this because of the preposition "dia" (similar, John 1:3 / Col 1:15)

The spirit is also said to come from the Father (John 15:26) Not just "From God" * (see Footnote) - This seems to be conveniently skipped over. (S)

John 10:18 says nothing about this subject... not sure why its in there. But it once again credits the resurrection to the Father (indirectly) The Father "gave" Jesus authority to receive his life back again.

The Father is the main one credited for Jesus' resurrection.

The following is a total of scriptures and the one credited for the resurrection:

Son: 1

Spirit: 1 (likely missed some)

Father: 16+ (about 6 explicitly say "The Father")

Acts 2:24; 3:15; Rom 4:24; 6:4; 8:11; 1Co 6:14; 2Co 4:14; Gal 1:1; Eph

1:17, 19-20; Col 2:12; 1Th 1:9,10; 1Pe 1:21.* (**)

(If anyone can give me a total list, that would be appreciated)

So from what I understand is The Father used his (holy) spirit to raise Jesus from the dead as a lifegiving spirit (1 Cor 15:45)

The bible is well known to add details "later", when it is assumed people understood without the completed thought. (Ellipsis)

another thing to keep in mind is Jesus' words at John 13:16, NWT

“. . .Most truly I say to you, a slave is not greater than his master, nor is one who is sent greater than the one who sent him. . .”

most bibles echo the same sort of thing.. and the Father was going to send the holy spirit (Which later is also declared to be spoken in comparisons (or illustrations, parables))

Footnotes:

https://examiningthetrinity.blogspot.com/2009/11/ru-jesus-raised-himself.html

* What trinitarians (and I sometimes) miss a lot of the time is when "God" is stated the writer means "God The Father" Paul sometimes uses "God" but evidently means "God the Father"

(S) The holy spirit is never explicitly referred to as "ho theos"

enoughisenough

Luke 23:46 copied and pasted .....He died. Almighty God, the Father resurrected him ...Jesus trusted him to do that.

Context Crossref Comment Greek

Verse (Click for Chapter)

New International Version
Jesus called out with a loud voice, “Father, into your hands I commit my spirit.” When he had said this, he breathed his last.

New Living Translation

Riley

Google some articles on the two powers in heaven / trinity in the Old Testament. Once you understand that first century jews already had the idea that this monolistic god in the Old Testament was really of a rock band than a singular person , it’s starts to make sense. kind of

Jeffro

Blotty:

Who raised Jesus from the dead?

No one.

punkofnice

Jeffro has hit the nail on the head as usual.

It's all fiction.

Just because people have been hoodwinked by grifters that perpetuate this fiction, doesn't mean it's true.

For a start, there is no real evidence outside of the Bible that Jesus actually existed. The Jesus character, didn't leave any writings.

Then, even if you prove there was a Jesus, you then have to prove the stories about him in the Bible were true. Then you have to prove God exists.

Don't be fooled just because a book confirms itself, or men in funny hats say it is all true. They're often on the grift if not fooled by grifters themselves!

Yes, I believed it once. However, honest questions opened my eyes. Everyone should ask themselves honest questions, even if they are uncomfortable and inconvenient.

Blotty

Punk of nice (& Jeffro)

consider this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus#Christ_myth_theory

"The Jesus character, didn't leave any writings." - very weak argument as many bible characters didn't leave any writings..

"Then you have to prove God exists." - admittedly I have very few ways to do that... Bible doesn't really touch on the subject as in those days people were far more religious, even look 100 years ago..

that's all ill say on the subject :)

punkofnice

"The Jesus character, didn't leave any writings." - very weak argument as many bible characters didn't leave any writings

It's actually a very strong argument. I would have expected the Messiah to at least make a bit of an effort.

I suspect he's not the Messiah, he's a very naughty boy!

That other characters left no writings also brings into question their existence.

"Then you have to prove God exists." - admittedly I have very few ways to do that... Bible doesn't really touch on the subject as in those days people were far more religious, even look 100 years ago..

That's my problem. I cannot take such life changing things on faith.

As for the Wiki article, it doesn't really say much apart from opinions.

I fancy these opinions are from many that profit from such postulations.

That's probably not all I have to say, but you never know. Thanks for your comments, BTW, Blotster

TonusOH

Isn't Jehovah described as the God of Armies? You get the impression that he was part of a pantheon of gods at one point. And they weren't the only gods, since the ten plagues of Egypt indicates that Yahweh had challenged the Egyptian pantheon and --as one might expect in a work by his devoted followers-- he thrashed them soundly. The Egyptian gods were only able to duplicate some of Yahweh's miracles, and their attempt to replicate the turning of a rod into a snake was a humiliation when Aaron's rod-snake (heh) devoured the others.

I think a cool book would be the one where it is described how Yahweh struck down all of the other gods and took over as the one and only. Did he lock them in some alternate dimension? Did he steal their powers and trap them in the center of a star? Did he... =gulp= ...kill them?!?!?

There's an effects-laden HBO max-series just waiting to be filmed!

truth_b_known

Easter Meme | Critically Thinking Through the Bible

Is it really a sacrifice if you come right back? How many animal sacrifices came back 3 days later?

When a mortal freely gives his life in exchange for another it is a sacrifice because the dead don't come back.

peacefulpete

The question has been argued for 2000 years folks. That, and what happened to the body, did Jesus' body come to life or not? Solutions are only limited by imagination.

Further, the resurrection stories are impossible to reconcile with each other.

Who raised Jesus from the dead?

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