Posts by TonusOH

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Every JW Elder In State Of Pennsylvania Subpoenaed

by JW GoneBad in

breaking news!

every jehovah’s witness elder in the 67 counties of pennsylvania are being given notice by state attorney's office to turn over any & all documents relating to child sex abuse cases!

watch attached video beginning at time-stamp 101:00...pay particular attention to what is said after 103:00.this is wild!.

TonusOH

Fisherman: Criminals go to lawyers because they commit crimes.

People go to lawyers when they are charged with a crime. No criminal goes to a lawyer because they committed a crime. They go because they're being charged with one.

Fisherman: But a lawyer disclosing privileged information

If a client admits to committing a crime, that is not privileged information and it is not a crime to report that to the police. The lawyer may choose to treat it that way, if they prefer to serve their client at the expense of victims and of society at large.

Similarly, a clergyman who reports a crime to the police (especially something as heinous as child abuse) would not face sanction for 'violating' privacy or confidentiality. In other words, they're not forced to withhold this information-- they choose to. The government isn't protecting criminals. The government is protecting religious organizations. Religious organizations are protecting criminals.

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Every JW Elder In State Of Pennsylvania Subpoenaed

by JW GoneBad in

breaking news!

every jehovah’s witness elder in the 67 counties of pennsylvania are being given notice by state attorney's office to turn over any & all documents relating to child sex abuse cases!

watch attached video beginning at time-stamp 101:00...pay particular attention to what is said after 103:00.this is wild!.

TonusOH

Fisherman: Client lawyer and penitent church.

Neither of those prevent a lawyer or clergyman from reporting a crime. Doing so is not a violation of privacy.

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Every JW Elder In State Of Pennsylvania Subpoenaed

by JW GoneBad in

breaking news!

every jehovah’s witness elder in the 67 counties of pennsylvania are being given notice by state attorney's office to turn over any & all documents relating to child sex abuse cases!

watch attached video beginning at time-stamp 101:00...pay particular attention to what is said after 103:00.this is wild!.

TonusOH

Fisherman: ( their confidential information from being disclosed).

Criminal acts are not protected by privacy laws.

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Every JW Elder In State Of Pennsylvania Subpoenaed

by JW GoneBad in

breaking news!

every jehovah’s witness elder in the 67 counties of pennsylvania are being given notice by state attorney's office to turn over any & all documents relating to child sex abuse cases!

watch attached video beginning at time-stamp 101:00...pay particular attention to what is said after 103:00.this is wild!.

TonusOH

Fisherman: It reveals your attitude.

Quite true. I believe that the government should not protect religious organizations at the expense of the safety of children. I also believe that religious organizations cannot use these rules to pretend that their hands are clean, even as they hide behind those same rules in order to protect child rapists and fail to help their victims (and in some cases, victimize them even further). You appear to think that this is... misguided?

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

TonusOH

Be aware that some call-in shows will screen callers beforehand. Callers who sound angry or who explain that they want to confront Evans about his misbehavior may not get through. But I would assume that there will be an open chat window which will only restrict high-volume spam comments. And, of course, there are the comments on the video itself.

If you do get through, avoid screaming or sounding aggressive. The interviewer may use that as a pretext to cut the call short and avoid a messy exchange. Be calm but assertive, and ask the questions as matter-of-factly as you can. Keep the questions short and direct. That way, if the caller is cut-off or dismissed, the question has been asked and it must be addressed or ignored. Either way, people learn about it.

Best case scenario: he avoids or ignores one or two uncomfortable questions, then abruptly ends the interview when he realizes that it's heading for disaster. And we end up with another comical mess that he and his most loyal followers must deal with.

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Divisions deliberately caused by God?

by LostintheFog1999 in

assuming that you don't dismiss genesis outright as a collection of myths, i was musing about the actions of god as recorded in genesis 11:1-9 regarding the building of the tower of babel.. this origin story for the multiplicity of languages in the earth has god getting annoyed with humans for staying in one location instead of filling out across the whole world.. yahweh could have stopped the tower being built by collapsing it by means of an earthquake, sinking sand, or an extreme gale.

even using an angel to kick it over when everyone was tucked up in bed asleep.

but no, instead he muddles up the vocabulary and grammar and made brand new languages creating division and confusion.. what's more he didn't scatter them and send them off in mixed multicultural groups, but instead he lets them wander off in tribes and family groups.

TonusOH

Genesis 11:6 The Lord said, “If as one people speaking the same language they have begun to do this, then nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them.

God, after wiping out almost all life because humanity had become so cruel and brutal to one another, now takes action to prevent humanity from coming together and reaching its full potential. Clearly, humanity was not a threat to God, so this was done entirely out of spite and to ensure more suffering over time.

Tell me again about free will.

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Every JW Elder In State Of Pennsylvania Subpoenaed

by JW GoneBad in

breaking news!

every jehovah’s witness elder in the 67 counties of pennsylvania are being given notice by state attorney's office to turn over any & all documents relating to child sex abuse cases!

watch attached video beginning at time-stamp 101:00...pay particular attention to what is said after 103:00.this is wild!.

TonusOH

Fisherman: Nobody wants the aggravation of getting legally entangled.

The sad thing is, I think this is exactly the WTS's attitude. Never mind the hundreds, or thousands, of children who have been and are being abused and having their lives tragically ruined... we don't need the hassle of dealing with it, or even of letting others deal with it.

They hide behind the same cheap technicalities as other churches, even though it goes entirely against the nature of the God they claim to serve and represent. If they choose to let God sort it out, what do they think He will do to them for their horrifying behavior and attitudes?

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

TonusOH

LMsA: He cannot walk into an office in Manchester, go on about how he made YT videos for the past decade and expect to receive an offer of employment that does not involve cleaning toilets.

He can't mention his YT activism to anyone he hopes will employ him. In fact, he'll have quite a time explaining his employment history. Even a half-hearted attempt at checking his background would lead down a rabbit hole of accusations and videos and, finally, his own disaster of a confession livestream.

So, either his prospective employer must accept a large and unexplained gap in his work history, or decide if they will hire a guy who admits to lacking control of his penis, a problem that he 'solved' by paying for sex regularly. His prospects for getting any sort of decent job seem very dim, and that's before we consider whether there is anything he is actually competent to do.

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Passport to Heaven

by JW Answers in

jehovah's witnesses believe that only 144,000 go to heaven, where as the bible teaches us that all who come to jesus can!

nothing in the bible for 144,000.. the bible teaches that salvation is not through religion, works, self righteousness or human effort.

but salvation is only through the person of the lord jesus christ.. feel free to watch below.

TonusOH

Rattigan350: Thus, those going to heaven will serve as God's administrators.

Jehovah, the God of Bureaucracy.

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Every JW Elder In State Of Pennsylvania Subpoenaed

by JW GoneBad in

breaking news!

every jehovah’s witness elder in the 67 counties of pennsylvania are being given notice by state attorney's office to turn over any & all documents relating to child sex abuse cases!

watch attached video beginning at time-stamp 101:00...pay particular attention to what is said after 103:00.this is wild!.

TonusOH

I think it's being done to shine a light on the problem. And, possibly, to put a strain on the organization. If WTS is working to protect child abuse just to maintain an illogical and silly rule, then the approach may be to make it as costly and painful as possible to continue to do it.

The WTS will fight this with every resource they have, especially time and money. It is likely that this will move extremely slowly through the courts, and it will seem as if no progress is being made. But I think that, even if the WTS prevails in blocking this (and it might), it will be publicized and their resources will be drained. And not just money-- imagine any elder with even half of a conscience, realizing that they're fighting so hard to protect traumatic child abuse. How many will walk away? How many will talk?