Posts by TonusOH

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would you be more happy not knowing what you now know?

by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

a good question is would you be more happy not knowing what you now know?.

were you more happy pimi?

are all the pimis more happy than the the pimos or the pomos?.

TonusOH

ExB: Last years drama one of the prison guards in the great tribulation just jumped in last min.

Was the guard an active JW who expressed his doubts to apostates regularly, or a non-JW who made a choice at a critical moment?

I'm surprised to hear that you would prefer that the masses remain ignorant about the effects of the vaccines. Many are, presumably, still taking boosters or encouraging others to vaccinate. That would, in your estimation, cause more harm, wouldn't it? Wouldn't remaining ignorant be a greater danger to everyone in the long run?

And no, I wouldn't try to talk someone out of their beliefs on their deathbed. That's the exception that proves the rule, though, don't you think?

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

TonusOH

I think he has convinced himself that his 'activism work' is so important that it overrides anything else that he does. He will bury the embarrassing or controversial stuff as much as he can, and use any mental gymnastics to rationalize his efforts to forget them. Mostly, he tries either blaming others, blaming the WTS for messing him up (mentally, psychologically, emotionally, penisly, etc), claiming that others are being unfair, or that they are no better than him, that the bad is offset by the good, and so on.

People like him, by the time they actually face up to who they are and what they have done, have built up so much baggage that it is likely to crush them. That, or they decide that they are irredeemable and embrace the role of the villain. I think he's still at a crossroads and either option remains a possibility.

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would you be more happy not knowing what you now know?

by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

a good question is would you be more happy not knowing what you now know?.

were you more happy pimi?

are all the pimis more happy than the the pimos or the pomos?.

TonusOH

I would flip it, and look at it from the other end. Have you ever had to deal with ignorant people and thought "I'm glad they can't see how things really are"? Put it in the context of the vaccination issue you discuss all the time. Do you feel that the world is better off with so many people ignorant of what you feel is the truth of that matter?

After all, being ignorant about a matter is often more than just option A or option B. And even the seemingly safe option isn't always that. If it turns out that the JWs are right about everything (impossible as that may be), then you won't be saved because you straddled the fence (lack of faith) and consorted with apostates (guaranteed DF, and you get on Jehovah's "you gonna die" list). If it turns out that they're just another religion that got it wrong, you have an endless choice of religions, most of which are probably also wrong. Makes god seem like a bit of a sadist.

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PROOF Mormons have the truth

by neat blue dog in

daniel prophesied that god would “set up a kingdom” that would “never be destroyed” and would “stand for ever” (daniel 2:44).

in making this prophecy, he spoke of the church of jesus christ of latter-day saints... and it will continue to progress until it has “filled the whole earth”... hundreds of thousands of people are baptized every year.

the book of mormon is being translated in many languages.

TonusOH

ExB: Don’t they believe in aliens and they will go to other planets

If I am not mistaken, they believe that they will become gods and rule planets of their own. Which they learned when a man put magic golden plates in his hat and shoved his face into it, thus allowing him to learn the truly true truths of the universe. I mean, as religious stories go, it's not the craziest.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

TonusOH

So he understands the importance of people fighting back against men who lie and mislead others, who seek to gain power by building up a loyal and obedient following, and who dismiss concerns regarding their behavior as irrelevant?

Good. Good to know.

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Need help - the Revelation Climax book

by ozziepost in

is it an original from the graphics department?.

anyone know?.

TonusOH

Didn't they also use an image of Amy Grant on a magazine cover once? Got sued for it? I couldn't find mention of it online.

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Is Disfellowshipping properly legislated?

by Rattigan350 in

in the insight book under expelling, it refers to 1 cor 5 and titus 3 and 2 thess 3 as the basis for disfellowshipping.they've often said that the governing body was stated in acts 15 of the apostles and older men.

however, why was there no decree or letter issued by the governing body or apostles and older men and sent out to the congregations, detailing the principles of disfellowshipping?

it is all paul.

TonusOH

If the Bible really is the word of God, then it's just a matter of interpretation and not authority-- Paul would be the author of a divinely-inspired work, and his words would be canon. The only question would be if the JWs had the correct interpretation and application of his words. Many religions have rules for expelling members who cross certain lines. I think it's more a question of whether the JW shunning practice is defensible from a Biblical standpoint.

Edit: Journeyman beat me to the point!

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

TonusOH

He might have been making a joke. Hard to say, since it would actually be a funny joke.

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Still no U turn on vax mandates for all schools

by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

you still have to be fully vaccinated to attend any theocratic schools.

elders and ministerial servants have their kingdom ministry school every year, the cobe of every congregation has to check that everyone is fully vaccinated.

after the school everyone will ask any bothers who were not there why not?

TonusOH

ExB: what do you mean all the other stuff worth dealing with?

For many JWs, the meeting schedule can be onerous, and the field ministry as well. The level of control from the organization can become an issue from many possible angles (work, physical appearance, social circle, choice of entertainment, etc). Or --a matter more relevant to you-- the pressure being put on the members to get vaccinated and boosted against COVID.

I mean, you're aware that they would drag you into a judicial committee for reading and posting on this site, yes? Or even for expressing the doubts that you do? (Doubts that any of us would find reasonable, but not the WTS.) They ask for considerable control of your thoughts and actions and they expect you to give up a lot of personal freedom. None of the benefits sound like something you could not get elsewhere, without all of the restrictions and rules.

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Sonthetic human embryo—Imagine that!

by Fisherman in

i read a news article that scientists have made from stem cells a human embryo.

poor soul..

TonusOH

The article gives me the impression that they're not even thinking of using these to "grow" a human. They're stem cells that apparently are treated/modified so that they can be used for research and testing. At present, laws forbid them from 'growing' the cells beyond a 14-day limit.

It sounds more like people are wandering into sci-fi territory. Now that AI has become such a concern, I think we will see more and more articles and reports about scientific fields where it seems science has crossed some boundary that might threaten human survival, etc.