EasyPrompt: this might be one of the links..
That info looks familiar, and I think it's one of the sources that the blogger used. Thank you!
TonusOH
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Aside from the alleged "composite Sign", what is the scriptural evidence for Christ's 1914 presence?
by Vanderhoven7 inmy take is: 1914 is not biblical since no dates are in the bible.
a hodgepodge of scriptures are ingeniously linked together; then stir in about 9 creative assumptions to arrive at a speculative theory on which to base wts authority.. nathan knorr to fred franz.
"there are some things that i know.
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Disfellowshipped for Fornication
by TxNVSue2023 inhi i want to tell my story and get advice.
i'm a single sister ( in usa) that has been baptized for 20 years.
i came from the world, so did not grow up in the truth and i have no family in the truth -- i am alone.. last year i met a brother & we did have premarital sex while we were dating.
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TonusOH
After reinstatement, you are considered a member of the congregation again, and the brothers and sisters will greet you and talk to you again, and you can take part in meetings (giving answers, doing demonstrations, etc) and field service.
As for gossip, that depends on the people, not your situation.
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"outside of time" argument
by Blotty inthis is going to be very brief but a user recently tried to argue an argument that has already been refuted many times - the logic is somewhat sound but falls apart when the definition to the word used it looked and its usages in the bible.the word in question is "aionas" found in the scripture in question hebrews 1:2 .
(https://biblehub.com/hebrews/1-2.htm#lexicon)for starters look at the biblehub translations - do any of them state "outside of time" or that time was "created" in this moment - no because this seems to be heavily inspired by greek philosophy rather than the bible itself.note: i am not saying this word does not mean eternity or anything of the sort, i am saying this scripture some of the claims i dispute and can easily disprove, hence the argument is laughable.. bill mounce defines the word as:pr.
a period of time of significant character; life; an era; an age: hence, a state of things marking an age or era; the present order of nature; the natural condition of man, the world; ὁ αἰών, illimitable duration, eternity; as also, οἱ αἰῶνες, ὁ αἰῶν τῶν αἰώνων, οἱ αἰῶνες τῶν αἰώνων; by an aramaism οἱ αἰῶνες, the material universe, heb.
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TonusOH
Re: spacing-- the text box this site uses automatically inserts a line break when you hit the Enter key when typing a message. If you are used to hitting enter twice to create a line break, or if you compose your posts in a text editor which lacks this feature, you can end up with extra line breaks between paragraphs.
This happens to me if I compose a message in notepad and then paste it in. I end up having to remove the extra line breaks before I post the message.
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TonusOH
enoughisenough: why wouldn't they want that magazine easily found?
Honestly, I'm surprised they put it online at all. So much of their early stuff is completely at odds with later teachings, much less current teaching. Are any of Russell's teachings/interpretations still kept today?
I would be really impressed if they ever published Studies in the Scriptures online. All versions/revisions.
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Do we blame the Governing Body too much?
by no-zombie ini'd like to start this post with a part from the movie 'v for vendetta'.
here in a dystopian state, the main character named v, explains why things have gone so bad ....
those who do not want us to speak.
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TonusOH
Our decisions are always shaped, in some way, by what is described as a hierarchy of values (I'm not sure if I have the term right). I do agree that a ruling body is granted power by the consent or agreement of those who are governed.
(I also don't think it's anywhere near that simple, but for the general example, it will do.)
For an organization like the WTS, which demands unquestioning acceptance of the GB as the spirit-directed leadership of the rank-and-file on Earth, it's not unusual to see the kind of turnover they do; people who do ask questions will inevitably agree to suppress those thoughts, will leave, or will be removed. But for many, there are other considerations at play.
I know that my mother must feel some mixture of confusion and disappointment that the end hasn't yet arrived, after more than 55 years of expecting it to happen "soon." But she gave up a lot in order to remain a JW, and now she is in her mid-80s and those dreams she had are long since gone. And the only thing she has left is that promise of eternal life on Earth and a chance to finally live the life she thought she would already be living by now. It is the ultimate sunk cost. To give up now is to accept that she wasted her life, and I don't think she can face that.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened inoriginal reddit post (removed).
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TonusOH
I don't believe that he is addicted to porn or sex or anything. He uses "addiction" and "repression" as excuses for his behavior. He's a man in his 40s with a wife and children who has spent years exchanging sex chat on the internet and visiting prostitutes for paid sex. He's not an addict. He's an inconsiderate asshole.
He blames the WTS --the very organization whose rules forbade his actions-- for turning him into a helpless nymphomaniac. Remember, nothing is ever his fault. Just as he blames Kim for the scandal that is ruining him, and just as he blames his wife for refusing to understand his complex sexual and emotional needs, he blames "addiction" and "lack of penis mastery" for his selfish and inconsiderate behavior.
It's always someone else's fault.
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Disfellowshipped for Fornication
by TxNVSue2023 inhi i want to tell my story and get advice.
i'm a single sister ( in usa) that has been baptized for 20 years.
i came from the world, so did not grow up in the truth and i have no family in the truth -- i am alone.. last year i met a brother & we did have premarital sex while we were dating.
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TonusOH
TxNVSue2023: The matter was resolved when we married.
Did the elders on your judicial committee feel the same way? I think that most JWs would take the approach that having sex prior to marriage is a sin, and they would not make an allowance for how close you were to your wedding day. But the verdict is really down to how they view the issue as a whole.
If you convinced them that you were repentant, they are likely to be open to an early reinstatement. But as Blues Brother said, there are no hard and fast rules that cover every possible situation, and the elders are making a judgment call. If you really want to stay in, your only recourse is to accept whatever they decide and see what kind of schedule they have in mind.
As some of the others have said, it's not a course I recommend, but there is a clear path for you to return if that is what you want to do.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened inoriginal reddit post (removed).
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TonusOH
That's a good point, DerekMoors. He doesn't have time to fulfill his obligations (ones that he set the terms for) to his paying customers, right after uploading several pictures of himself on yet another vacation.
I agree with Slim- if people are still sending him money, then Evans is having a right laugh at their (literal) expense.
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Why do JW apostates tend to be activists against the religion?
by Vanderhoven7 inj. arden writes.
first of all an apostate is literally just someone who left.
most jws are technically apostates from the religions they were raised in.
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TonusOH
I think most religions have their critics, including those who take on the activist role. Scientology seems to have more than the WTS, perhaps because of its high profile.
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Aside from the alleged "composite Sign", what is the scriptural evidence for Christ's 1914 presence?
by Vanderhoven7 inmy take is: 1914 is not biblical since no dates are in the bible.
a hodgepodge of scriptures are ingeniously linked together; then stir in about 9 creative assumptions to arrive at a speculative theory on which to base wts authority.. nathan knorr to fred franz.
"there are some things that i know.
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TonusOH
There was a blog post --which, sadly I cannot find anymore-- that detailed a lot of Russell's shady business dealings and how he treated his wife. It makes him look like a snake-oil salesman. I had a very different impression of the man after reading it.