Posts by TonusOH

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Are Elders prepared to take the fall for WT/GB misdemeanor's / crime ??

by smiddy3 in

i have been thinking about this in relation to the directive given to elders to destroy any incriminating evidence they may have either on their pc`s ,e-mails , private notes in their possession, or notes in their witnessing bags ,etc.

to do with child sexual abuse they may still have in their possession.. isn`t that encouraging the elders to interfere with the justice system ?.

to break the law?.

TonusOH

I think it depends, in part, on two factors:

1. Is there a policy regarding the disposition of communications (email/letters/etc)?

2. Is there an active investigation or legal action which may be impacted by the destruction of such communications?

There may be other factors. If there is a policy on how to handle such correspondence (that was not suddenly implemented in response to potential inquiries), that can be a protection against any sanctions. Those policies are overridden by legal actions, like a subpoena, which may demand that any documents or evidence related to a case or investigation must not be destroyed.

Edit: As no-zombie pointed out below, destroying evidence of a crime would supersede any of the above considerations.

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Aftermath of being Reinstated

by TxNVSue2023 in

i'm in the process of being reinstated ( my df'ing story is on here).

because i've never been in this position before, i don't know how i will be treated once i'm reinstated.

i moved to a new city/state and i don't know a single person here or in my new congregation i am attending.

TonusOH

NotFormer: Is that kind of record keeping legal under the various data protection acts?

It probably is. I don't know if the JWs are unique among religions in keeping a file on each member, so I don't know if the rank and file should feel any concern. It didn't bug me while I was in, and I never even thought about it after I left.

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Where do I go to change my password

by Tameria2001 in

i want to change my password for this site, but when i went to my profile page there was a place to change my e-mail address, bio, and gender, but nothing for my password.

where do i go to change my password?.

TonusOH

If you have the password saved on one of your PCs, the browser may allow you to see those passwords. Do a search for something like "how to see passwords saved on browser" and you should see guides for the more commonly-used browsers (Edge, Chrome, etc).

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Help wanted finding images

by Lee Marsh in

i am working on a project that requires proofs that the wts did say it and jws believe and follow it.. i have found some but google is giving me a hard time with some things.. as i go i will post requests for various images.

they all must have a reference or at least post where i can find the reference and i will add it to the image.. both older and newer beliefs are welcome, especially flip-flops.. if you have something similar to what is already posted then more references the better.

i know there are images of the structure of the wts.

TonusOH

If they rolled back the claim about apostates being mentally diseased... is that an example of "new light"?

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

TonusOH

Recall the Facebook post he made shortly after the whole scandal broke, and you will realize that what he was trying to do then -and continues to try to do- is to imply that the seven were accusing him of abusing a 14-year-old. He does not state this outright, but you can see how he tries to lead the reader down that path. He claims that Kim defamed him, but provides no details. Then he tries to link it to a past "campaign" by the Vast Apostate Army to convince people that he had committed CSA.

He tries to be vague enough to give himself a way out if people demand specifics, but it's not hard to figure out what he is trying to do. Even now, he wants people to believe that Kim's "betrayal" amounted to accusing him of CSA, and that the seven/twelve have done the same. He arduously avoids providing any specifics, even as he refuses to stop referring to the case (although he seems to have done so recently...).

This is where the court filings could be a real problem for him. Did he provide any details? What do those look like? Did he follow the narrative above, thus providing the seven/twelve with an opportunity to demonstrate his deception? If he didn't, the basis for the suit will be embarrassingly thin, especially after he described Kim's actions as the worst betrayal ever, and the worst thing that ever happened to him.

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Regarding new "Morning Worship" video - John Ekrann: "The Love of Money" (2 Tim. 3:2)

by EasyPrompt in

the man spends nine minutes and sixteen seconds condemning all the behaviors that the wtbt$ is guilty of without even realizing he's doing it.. .

(as he sits in a studio in a compound build with "voluntary donations" where they are fed and clothed and cleaned and insured with "voluntary donations" and drive cars purchased with "voluntary donations" all associated with a corporation founded on a selling-literature-business and now often funded by building/restoring real estate with slave labor and then selling it to pay for some elders at bethel to live on a lake and take jets to give talks to worshipful doting masses at convention centers in various parts of the earth.).

"but know this, that in the last days critical times hard to deal with will be here.

TonusOH

"Money is bad. Give it to us!"

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Voting thumbs up

by peacefulpete in

is anyone else having problem giving a thumbs up?

it has been happening for a long time.

i vote up , it appears, then disappears when i return to page.

TonusOH

slimboyfat: In my case I was told my thumbs were gone and they were.

Now I have this disturbing image of Simon at his work desk, with a small bag full of thumbs on the table next to his keyboard.

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A divorced single sistet

by TxNVSue2023 in

it was an opinion of someone that to be a divorced, single sister i. the organization was the lowest social standing you can have.

why are they dispised?

( what if was a scriptural divorce where husband cheated?

TonusOH

Lee Marsh: I have to wonder what was so wrong in the marriage that she had to go somewhere else.

You don't want to know. Suffice it to say, some of us could tell what was wrong with it before they were married. I was just astounded at how the elders seemed to follow a script, even when they appeared to think it was wrong. The oddity being that they seemed to side with her disproportionately when they were meeting with the couple, while also privately telling her husband that they sympathized with him.

I think about it sometimes, because if I had been made an elder I might also have had the opportunity to judge people's marriages and relationships, even though I was utterly unqualified to do so.

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A divorced single sistet

by TxNVSue2023 in

it was an opinion of someone that to be a divorced, single sister i. the organization was the lowest social standing you can have.

why are they dispised?

( what if was a scriptural divorce where husband cheated?

TonusOH

Yes, I think it is much more an issue if the sister initiates the divorce, because the organization places a very high importance on keeping marriages together. It can work both ways, though.

A friend of mine was married to a sister who cheated on him and had a daughter with another man. She went to the elders and confessed, and my friend agreed to forgive her and even raise the daughter as his own (her biological dad showed -and continues to show- little interest in her). A couple of years later, his wife again went to the elders to confess... to several more affairs.

Officially, the elders took no action and advised him to forgive her. Privately, one of them told my friend that he stood behind the advice they gave him, to try to salvage the marriage. Yet, he admitted that he would likely not do so himself, under the circumstances. My friend filed for divorce and I don't think he was ostracized at all. Then again, he is a nice person and very helpful to everyone, and the circumstances (repeated infidelity with multiple partners and no corrective action taken) make him a sympathetic figure.

The desire to avoid bringing reproach on Jehovah's name can cause elders to be rigid and unbending, even when they are confronted with a unique situation. Which can end up bringing the reproach that they were hoping to avoid. His ex-wife is out for many years now, though she hung on for some time. It's not a good look for the congregation.

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Is Tony Morris a Nonce / Pedophile

by MebyonKernow in

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this has just been posted on youtube regarding tony morris and the reason why he was removed as a gb member and 'relocated'.is tony morris a pedophile / nonce?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ahj9vxygkelet me know your thoughts down below.celtic.

TonusOH

"When people ask her for evidence, she responds with sarcasm or tells them to Google it."

Oh, that's not good. A timely reminder about the nature of the internet, and about human nature.