We always applauded the dramas. Sometimes we would applaud a particularly dramatic part of it. We also applauded the speakers when they finished their talks.
JW crowds are the epitome of politeness.
TonusOH
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1974 and all that
by Number 6 inhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xznh9icm1os.
i came across this footage recently whilst searching for something completely unrelated and it blew me away!.
it's from the august 1974 convention at murrayfield, edinburgh and you can clearly see the stage set up still keeping the 6000 years and 1975 mantra going.. what makes this very personal for me is that i was here.
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Michael died twice for JW's sins.
by moomanchu inonce when jehovah turned him into a sperm and once when the romans crucified him.. technically sperm is still alive when used for invitro fertilization.
then again is sleeping in a tomb for a few hours really dead ?.
forget it, no one died for jw's sins.
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TonusOH
moomanchu: Luke traces Mary's blood line to King David. Why do this if her egg wasn't used?
I'm not religious, so I'm not defending this as fact. But I think we tend to get unnecessarily far into the weeds with this stuff.
The tracing of the blood line could be symbolic. I think one of the gospels traces it to Mary, and the other traces it to Joseph (who couldn't have contributed DNA to the process, if we accept the story as told). These were people who didn't understand genetics or know about DNA, so they may not have been put off if they'd known all the details. The mechanics of it shouldn't matter, so long as god gets the result he wants- a growing human skin suit that he can inhabit with one-third of himself, in order to sacrifice it to pay himself a debt on behalf of humanity.
Which he could have done by, you know... forgiving us. Something humans do all the time without bloodshed.
In any case, once we introduce magic into the mix, the rules of logic and nature have to be bent or broken to accommodate it. Trying to reason it out seems futile.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)
by Simon inuh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.
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TonusOH
You can see the problem for his supporters. One person is defending him, but the further along the discussion gets, the more difficult his position becomes. He was trying to say that it's unfair to ruin Lloyd's career with a potentially false allegation (that he committed CSA in Thailand, which is not the accusation being made). But he finds the sailing rough when he has to bring his argument down to "he cheated on his wife with a sex worker, and unless you can prove she was underage, that's all he did."
The problem is-- most of his patrons find the "cheated on his wife with a sex worker" bad enough, not to mention that he admitted to paying for sex at least every few months for three or four years. You do not even have to get to the part where sex trafficking is rife with abuse of women and minors. The stuff that a few people try to shrug off as not a big deal is a very big deal to people who just left a fundamentalist religious organization.
This is why the only thing that needs to be done is to keep pointing out the things he said he did. I love the videos that compare his statements at different times, showing how his story changes depending on his needs or desires. No one defames Lloyd Evans more than LLOYD EVANS does.
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The org: Coal calling the kettle black! #2
by BoogerMan in"the generally accepted definition of propaganda is this: an organization for the propagation of a doctrine or system, the purpose of which is to cause the membership of the system or organization to increase or enlarge.
religious organizations engage in propaganda, because each system of religion tries to increase its membership.
the work of jehovah’s witnesses for his kingdom is entirely a different matter.
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TonusOH
1935 would have been Rutherford/Knorr. They certainly were no strangers to using propaganda.
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The org: Coal calling the kettle black!
by BoogerMan in"the greatest religious system that exists on earth, or ever did exist on earth, is the roman catholic hierarchy, controlled by a few men and under which have been brought millions of people of honest desires.
satan has used the roman catholic hierarchy (g.b.
) to blind millions of people.
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TonusOH
Ask them what they thought would happen to those "good, honest people" when Armageddon rolled around.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)
by Simon inuh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.
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TonusOH
Edge or Chrome browsers should have a "show/view YouTube dislikes" extension.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)
by Simon inuh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.
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TonusOH
I agree, that was good. It's not surprising that his writing can be bested by someone's parody on a forum.
I'm almost tempted to watch his upcoming videos once he gets on his new twice-a-week schedule. We can compare how bad the bags under his eyes get with each one, or how many times he sighs and rubs his neck, or looks around the room as if he wishes he was somewhere else, and any other signs that he's just had it with making videos for a shrinking donor pool.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)
by Simon inuh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.
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TonusOH
Also, "it's Kim's fault" has surpassed "I'll have to add you to the litigation" as my favorite meme.
Also also: one thing I just thought about- when announcing the letters to the seven, Evans griped that they could not send letters to all twelve because the translation costs were prohibitive. But what was sent to them was pretty much the same letter, wasn't it? None of the seven received examples or addenda with the letters, did they? If they were receiving the same basic letter, why would it cost more to prepare twelve instead of seven?
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)
by Simon inuh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.
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TonusOH
LMsA: The real news is when the case gets dismissed. That’s what will make a difference if any.
What was revealed about the lawsuit is also highly damaging to him, though. The dismissal (and that is inevitable at this point) would have been a disappointment, but he would have tried to play it off as "the courts let me down, I thought our case was solid, this isn't over! Forty years, Kim! Forty yearssss!"
Instead, it is an embarrassment. I'm very curious to see how he tries to spin it. I expect that he will try to ignore it, but will have to say something about it. The story he concocts to try to explain it should be epic.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)
by Simon inuh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.
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TonusOH
That explains why he deleted his Twitter account and decided he needed more time off. After all of his talk, he didn't even file the suit properly or amend it when he needed to. All the while, he was smugly telling people to lawyer up and get ready for a legal fight. And he wasn't even bothering to make sure the suit was filed properly.
So he was putting on a show for his supporters, and once he realized that the truth was about to be revealed, he ran. He came up with a lame excuse about Twitter not removing an offensive tweet and deleted his account. And his recent note to his patrons did not mention the "campaign" against him. He desperately wants everyone to forget about it now.