Posts by TonusOH

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Thought on “0 hours” reporting

by FFGhost in

so everyone knows the “big news” of this past weekend, no more reporting of hours, placements, return visits, etc.

beginning november 1, jws just tick a box indicating whether they “shared in any form of the ministry during the month”.. so there was a brief comment by a redditor that seems like a brief joke “throwaway comment” but after thinking about it….why not?.

the idea is, what is “any form of the ministry”?

TonusOH

In CoC, Ray Franz mentioned that they moved from a unanimous vote to a two-thirds majority of all GB members (even if all were not present). It's possible that they have changed it back to unanimous. But if you did that and then literally removed a dissenter, it defeats the purpose.

More likely, they feared that Morris would become a loose cannon who would undermine what are already a difficult set of changes to implement, which could have led to a schism. And that would have brought the whole mess down quickly. Better to put him in a position where he could wash his hands of the matter but also would not want to speak out, lest he find himself homeless.

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I think circuit overseers should have a job like the apostle Paul

by forzaitalia in

am i being mean, thinking that travelling overseers should get a part-time job like paul did, in order to not be a burden to the congregation?

i wouldn't put my hand up when we were asked to raise it if we were happy to give £50 from congregation funds to the c.o.

so that he could take his wife out for a meal.

TonusOH

I don't recall our congregation elders ever asking for donations for the CO when they visited. But many in the congregation would give them something. The CO had a place to eat dinner each night (more families offered than was needed) and people giving them green handshakes one after another. I guess that's one of the ironies of human society; some of the poorest communities tend to be the most generous. Our family was scraping the barrel most of the time, but my mother always had a $20 bill to hand to the traveling overseer.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

by Simon in

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uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

TonusOH

Is the JWWatch site down? jwwatch.org returns "There has been a critical error on this website."

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2023-Annual Meeting!

by Atlantis in

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2023-annual meeting.. .

https://stream.jw.org/home .

atlantis!.

TonusOH

Atlantis: The link might become inactive soon.

It will be much harder to tell, with the new reporting system.

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Thought on “0 hours” reporting

by FFGhost in

so everyone knows the “big news” of this past weekend, no more reporting of hours, placements, return visits, etc.

beginning november 1, jws just tick a box indicating whether they “shared in any form of the ministry during the month”.. so there was a brief comment by a redditor that seems like a brief joke “throwaway comment” but after thinking about it….why not?.

the idea is, what is “any form of the ministry”?

TonusOH

There are all kinds of ways to witness to others. If the minimum is now 'anything' then you can check the box if you had a conversation with a non-witness family member. Or a neighbor. Or someone on the line at the grocery store.

You can write a letter. That is time spent witnessing to others. If you are feeling particularly ambitious, write two! Send a text message with a link to the JW site. Make a phone call and leave a message. Once a month.

If they did the same with the meetings, imagine how many "active" members they will have!

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No more REPORTING field service!!!!!!!!!

by BoogerMan in

this is going to break the hearts of a lot of uber-jw's!

reddit has now removed the video link of samuel herd telling jw's they will no longer have to report time or placements - just tick a box which says "active.".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akdshyx79rm&t=13s.

TonusOH

nicolau: Really? I missed that, could anyone enlighten me please?

I think it is in another topic. They now believe that those who are alive when the great tribulation begins will have the option to accept the truth and be saved, even if they rejected the preaching message before. In the past, they stated that the preaching work was of paramount importance because once the great tribulation began, salvation was no longer on offer. Which is why they taught that there would come a time when the preaching message would change from an offer to a condemnation.

I'm assuming this means that they no longer expect to preach a message of doom just prior to the end. Especially when they appear to have de-emphasized the importance of such work by reducing the reporting requirements for most of the rank and file.

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No more REPORTING field service!!!!!!!!!

by BoogerMan in

this is going to break the hearts of a lot of uber-jw's!

reddit has now removed the video link of samuel herd telling jw's they will no longer have to report time or placements - just tick a box which says "active.".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akdshyx79rm&t=13s.

TonusOH

Magnum: Like... how many decades does it take them to get the memo from their God?

Yeah, really. I agree that it's embarrassing. You cannot help but get the impression that Jehovah has been pranking them all this time. "This new light completely invalidates decades of teachings! If you were disfellowshipped as an apostate, it turns out you were right! But you're still an apostate! Clearly, we can see how Jehovah guides us through his holy spirit! Please keep obeying! Please keep giving generously!"

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

by Simon in

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uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

TonusOH

pepperheart2: WOW tonus you should make a new thread with that post

Thanks, pepperheart2. There are a few topics discussing the recent news from the WTS, I think I made similar comments in those. Good topics! And, as is being pointed out by others, a pretty big topic for JWs and exJWs, yet Evans can only dedicate a few minutes to it.

I have to say, I think his video is so short because he's not really paying attention to the WTS. You would think that Evans, of all people, would have a LOT to say about these recent changes and what they might mean for the organization. I don't think he can be bothered anymore. He got comfortable with other people doing the behind-the-scenes work. He probably thinks that researching the matter himself is beneath him.

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Real reasons behind this change?

by Gorb in

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just a good conversation at home about the hour report change.. we think the change was not impmemented because the gb are such a lovely bunch of old grandpa's having the best in mind for us individuals.. there will be only, and we say only, an organizational reason for it.

a legal reason, to protect jw.org and it's officials and wealth.. next step?

maybe selling more kh and when jw hollywood studio's in rampoo are ready a change to tv subscription.. what do you think?

TonusOH

It can increase the total of active publishers, yes. And since they only will report the hours of pioneers, they can show a "per person" monthly total that is much higher than it was in the past. A sort of creative bookkeeping, where you no longer record the numbers that drag down the averages.

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With no reporting necessary do they still need a territory guy?

by carla in

now that they no longer have to report hours do they still need a territory guy?

maps?

etc...?.

TonusOH

Maybe that is why they appear to have changed the belief regarding salvation. If these changes mean fewer people hear the good news, they won't be doomed because they can repent at the last moment and be saved.

I'm amazed at any changes that subvert the sense of urgency that they have preached for more than 100 years.