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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

  by Simon in

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  uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

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  Simon: I've often wondered this. He will make a claim, which suits whatever argument he's trying to make, then 10 minutes later he's making a contradictory claim.

  It reminds me of the WTS. They will promote rational thinking and free inquiry when referring to other religions, then will turn around and demand that followers close their minds to any critical examination of their own doctrines.

  It is self-serving. Any argument that serves their purposes is useful. If you point out the contradiction, you are simply an enemy trying to mislead the faithful. If you are a JW and you point out the contradiction, you have been poisoned by apostate thinking and cannot be trusted or reasoned with.

  Sounds very much like Evans.
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

  by Simon in

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  uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

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  I saw on NPR that in the trial of Sam Bankman-Fried, Caroline Ellison explained how they tried to recover frozen assets in China by, well... let's let NPR explain it:

  In early 2021, a Chinese cryptocurrency exchange froze Alameda's trading account, and the firm lost access to approximately $1 billion in assets.

  
  For months, Bankman-Fried tried to regain access to those assets through a variety of methods. Ellison testified how colleagues at Alameda set up accounts on the Chinese exchange tied to the identities of Thai prostitutes, hoping they could somehow use those accounts to siphon the money away from the frozen account.

  Who knew that Thai prostitutes were so versatile? They can help losers try to unfreeze international assets, or dress up as maids to help losers with their tampered sexuality. The options seem endless!
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

  by Simon in

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  uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

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  I wonder if he can hide how many of the subs are free. If not, we will be able to watch as the number of free 'patrons' approaches (and surpasses) the number of paid supporters. Maybe that can be the next guessing game- when will the crossover point be?
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  You might be a JW if you...

  by Ron.W. in

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  this is a little out of date.

  i found it earlier deleting some emails from a good few years ago:.

  feel free to add new lines to this old list!.

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  If you're a man past his 50s who is obsessed with what teenage girls are wearing, you might be a JW.
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  Why Jehovah's Witnesses are WRONG about Christmas

  by David_Jay in

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  as you know (and are probably tired of hearing me repeat), i’m jewish.

  yes, i was a jehovah’s witness when i was a teenager and into my 20s, but returned to my roots and now celebrate chanukah when the holiday season comes around each year.. so why am i writing about christmas?

  well, that’s because i thought i would share something about how jehovah’s witnesses teach against christmas.

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  When I was a child, some of the family on my father's side would visit for Christmas and bring gifts. My mother absolutely hated it, she did not want us to have a positive memory of a 'pagan holiday.' She is a hardcore JW from the start, and saw holidays as another way for Satan to work his way into your heart.

  Today, I'm not religious, but I do celebrate holidays. Because they're awesome. If god was real, she'd have a shitload of holidays for us to celebrate, I bet.
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  Trust Our (Neither Inspired Nor Infallible) Life Saving Direction?

  by Ron.W. in

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  wt 2013 11/15 p. 20. at that time, the life-saving direction that we receive from jehovah’s organization may not appear practical from a human standpoint.

  all of us must be ready to obey any instructions we may receive, whether these appear sound from a strategic or human standpoint or not.. wt feb 2017.

  "the governing body is neither inspired nor infallible.

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  Yes, this has always been the approach. Even since Russell's day. Imply (or outright state) that the leadership is guided by holy spirit in order to give weight to what they say. Then, when it is convenient, point out that they are mere men and capable of error.

  I wonder if the current group has grasped on to that approach a bit too firmly? They appear to feel as if the latter part will cover for the most drastic and controversial changes. A "get out of responsibility" card that the rank and file must accept whenever it is played.
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  What Happened to 2034?

  by NotFormer in

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  some years ago the wt started putting it out there that noah took 120 years to build the ark, and since the wt was the new ark, it may allow them up to 2034 (1914 + 120) before armageddon.

  it could have been their new 1975 to get excited about, but i don't see any mention of it at all now.

  what happened during the two decades since last i observed anything about the wt?.

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  I don't see what good it would do them now. They know that even mentioning a specific year will only bring them headaches. The changes they are making can only possibly work if they keep things vague. If they push for a specific year, they are back in the crosshairs. And 2034 would be only a few years after the completion of Ramapo, wouldn't it? That would be a bad time to suddenly lose a large number of people due to yet another failed prophecy.
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  How Much of Russell and Rutherford is Left?

  by NotFormer in

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  russell is kind of acknowledged as the founder, but rutherford is the one who really made the wt what it is, or at least laid the foundations for what it came to be, today.

  how much would someone from that era recognise in the wt today?

  what are the big changes that they would see?.

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  I think the only thing left from Russell's time is the year 1914. Not the associated predictions or explanations-- Rutherford took care of those in the years following. Just the year.

  They have a ways to go to wipe Rutherford's contributions away, I think. He re-did the structure of the organization and some (much?) of that survives, and things like not observing holidays was his idea, wasn't it?
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  2023-10-13-Announcement (Reporting Field Service)

  by Atlantis in

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  2023-10-13-announcements (reporting field service).

  page 1. https://imgbox.com/96lgsfw4 .

  page 2. https://imgbox.com/zynoa02m .

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  Teddnzo: It’s seems fat tony leaves and two new GB really shook things up

  I get the impression that making him leave and bringing in the new people was the shake up.
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  Index of Evidence for Evolution Threads

  by cofty in

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  re-posting this for reference.. #1 protein functional redundancy comparing the sequences of amino acids in ubiquitous proteins confirms the relationship between all living things..

  #2 dna functional redundancy comparison of the dna that codes for the amino acids of ubiquitous proteins predicts the tree of life with an astonishing degree of accuracy..

  #3 ervs endogenous retroviruses that infected our ancestors are found in the same place of the genome of our closest primate cousins..

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  I'm less concerned about the obvious trolls than the ones like James Tour and Stephen Meyer. Someone who refuses to engage and just says "this is true and this is not" is easy enough to recognize and dismiss. Someone who can engage in actual high-level science can obfuscate the issues and drag the discussion in any number of directions, so as to avoid the relevant information/data. How far are they setting humanity back, in a day and age when these issues should already be settled?