my wife zoe and i often talk about her grandmother who has never been a jw but is an excellent christian by other opinions.
she has led such a good life always kind and tried to follow jesus example.
before the agm new light my wife often thought according to current light is that as long as she dies before armageddon she will be resurrected.
Teddnzo: So JWLITE is a win win for everyone.
Maybe. My point is that the most important viewpoint would be that of god. Say the Abrahamic god exists, a god who is interested in each of us and has standards of worship and behavior that will determine our eternal future. Do you think he would be okay with someone straddling the fence in regards to serving him, so as to try and cheese their way into heaven on a possible technicality?
my wife zoe and i often talk about her grandmother who has never been a jw but is an excellent christian by other opinions.
she has led such a good life always kind and tried to follow jesus example.
before the agm new light my wife often thought according to current light is that as long as she dies before armageddon she will be resurrected.
enoughisenough: it would be better to never be baptized and to die considering the way we were taught.
There is a lot of reasoning like this, similar to Pascal's Wager, where the idea is that you may as well fake it in the hopes that you might get lucky. But this kind of thinking presumes that god will be okay with someone trying to cheat him. Or that the same god who wanted 'mercy, not sacrifices' will be forced to grant salvation on a technicality.
I think that god would reward sincerity above all. You can't sneak past him. That might only anger him.
thank you atlantis for the emails that you send out to so many of us.
in one email that i received dated 21st october was a jw document title "information for patients requiring chemotherapy or surgery".
the organization never ceases to shock and i was disgusted with the information included in this document because it leads to their followers not getting the best medical care, not just because of their no blood policy but because of the other repercussions which they highlight in this information guide.. they begin by stating they are not giving medical advice, just information to help individuals make their own decisions.. point 7 states.
Sorry NotFormer, I did not mean to imply that you were saying that without sarcasm.
what's next for the world?
a year ago i edited a map of the world to include some big arrows to tell the story of what is to come.
and i shared that map with various friends.
Predicting war and strife isn't terribly bold, since that is pretty much the entirety of human history once we developed agriculture and established towns and cities and, evenutally, nations.
As I said in that other topic, my prediction is that, when these predictions do not lead to divine intervention and the establishment of god's kingdom, people will learn their lesson and stop making predictions will wait for the next 'time of distress' and make the same predictions all over again. Because that is also part of human history.
uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.
Toblerone5: Who could be able to post that link on all is Youtube video though ?
Oh, I didn't understand what you were asking before. It looks like, when you delete your Twitter account, the username becomes available for anyone else to take. Someone signed up with a new account and used the name. Since he gave up the account willingly --and since the new owner did not break any rules to take it-- I doubt he can get it back. The fact that he has other media sites that link to his now 'hijacked' Twitter means that he now has another Self-Own Award he can hang next to his YouTube milestone plaques.
There is a new tweet that is quite funny.
the magazine that they are studying in the congregation this month has an article at the back about how pornography in a marriage could damage the relationship.. there's one piece of advice that sounds rather scary, the wt suggests that the couple should "consider asking an elder with whom you are both comfortable to sit in and guide your discussions for a time.".
how many of you would want an elder present in your home while you and your partner discussed your personal sexual cravings and the type of porn videos being watched?.
Next month's issue: "When we advised couples to invite an elder to discuss the issue, we were NOT encouraging threesomes!!!"
uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.
You think he would use that name and picture (and the link to lloydevans.info)? LOL, that looks like someone having fun at his expense.
thank you atlantis for the emails that you send out to so many of us.
in one email that i received dated 21st october was a jw document title "information for patients requiring chemotherapy or surgery".
the organization never ceases to shock and i was disgusted with the information included in this document because it leads to their followers not getting the best medical care, not just because of their no blood policy but because of the other repercussions which they highlight in this information guide.. they begin by stating they are not giving medical advice, just information to help individuals make their own decisions.. point 7 states.
They aren't practicing medicine. That is quackery.
Their interpretation of a couple of Biblical passages has led to suffering and death. My mother almost died a year ago, when she had internal bleeding and the doctors at the hospital could not locate the source. Since she was unwilling to get a transfusion, she came very very close to bleeding to death. They managed to use other means to slow the blood loss and the bleeding stopped and she was able to recover. But she was probably a few hours from death. After all these years, I don't think she would accept blood even if the WTS said it was okay.
They don't need to practice medicine. The medical profession is doing just fine without their help.
uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.
I think Evans is trying to say that people claimed he was an activist for the money, with his high earnings as proof. I don't think that works as a defamation charge. Saying that his activism is a money-making scheme could be considered defamatory. Saying that he makes a lot of money is not.
Of course, he is not making this argument for the court. He is making it for his remaining supporters. He knows he can frame the issues any way he wants when he is presenting it to them.
after being brought up a jw, going to mts, bethel, pioneer school multiple times, serving in foreign assignments and having been an elder for decades my conclusion is that i am now pima, physically in mentally agnostic.. agnostic means you think it can’t be proven either way creation or evolution.
i do tend to lean towards evolution but creation at the very start because you can’t get life from dead matter.
but i’m open to the possibility of chance theory at the origin of it all.
PetrW: it was just a rhetorical allusion to the fact that the inter-scientific disputes closer to us, are not as clearly fought as one might suppose..
It's a good example of that, yes. The scientific method yields results that become more reliable over time. In the case of COVID and vaccines, we can see that it isn't just biases at play, but also political considerations which play an outsized role, as well as our unhelpful need for certainty. I think that our minds are wired so that we prefer to be certain about things we cannot yet know, than to accept that we need to wait and learn more.
