Posts by TonusOH

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If 1914 gets tossed

by Leathercrop in

a year ago

it feels like the change in reporting of hours becomes a fundamentally bigger deal every day.

the weight and importance placed on quantity was enormous, and now it's just gone.

even tho most witnesses really didn't keep "accurate" records so to speak hehehe.... this could very well be a precursor to even bigger doctrinal changes, like 1914. damn, would would happen then?.

a year ago

TonusOH a year ago

I agree that 1914 is the foundation that they built their authority on. And in the internet age, making any change to it would spread like wildfire among the exJW community. But I think we're underestimating their influence and control.

It's almost 110 years since The End officially Drew Near. 110 years might be the blink of an eye to Jehovah, but it's a long time for people. There's a reason they have always focused on how close the end is- urgency spurs people to action. If Rutherford had given a speech titled "The Great-Grandchildren of Millions Now Living Might Never Die", the organization might already be gone.

How many JWs know about 1925? How many would believe you, if you told them about it? How many, learning what really happened, would care? Heck, how many JWs still believe the BS narrative from the GB regarding 1975? How many are still in after watching the embarrassing "overlapping generations" video?? They don't need a particularly good explanation for how dropping 1914 still makes them God's Legitimate People. Just have Splane or Lett vomit up some fresh new word salad and the rank and file will shrug their shoulders and soldier on.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

by Simon in

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friends

2 years ago

uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

13 days ago

TonusOH a year ago

YouTube is ripe for that kind of abuse, due to the monetization policies. The more clicks you get, the more money you can earn. The less effort you put in, the more money you are making per hour. Or the more money you make for the energy invested.

Evans actually had a pretty good setup going. Easy money. And -from the standpoint of that video- it was legit. The idea of branching out made sense- how long could you focus on just the WTS before the channel became stagnant? He was growing his business and meeting people and no one cared about the bridges he was burning along the way.

And the he blew it up. Have we mentioned how catastrophic that confession livestream was?

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JWLITE

by Teddnzo in

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2 years ago

even elders can be part of the new jw lite brigade these days.

they don’t need to go on door to door anymore and there is no requirement for anything really.. taking meeting parts is all dead easy you could turn up on the day with zero preparation because it’s all in the meeting workbook.. quarterly elders meetings are just old men having a good old natter just like old men do down the pub.. congregations could be likened to pubs or bars these days just without the drinks, those come at other times.. no need for territory maps, these almost went away with covid letter writing now they are extremely slow getting finished as those who still go door to door only do ten mins.. you could even voice your questions these days about things the gb say and then just say “we can’t be dogmatic we just don’t know”.

i predict they will say this about 1914 soon..

a year ago

TonusOH a year ago

Teddnzo: All you have to do is become inactive or almost inactive, do as much or as little as you want or feel like. But don’t leave altogether.

I may have asked this before, but isn't this basically PIMO?

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No Reporting of Time, Tithing is OK, Now WT Teaches a "Rapture" - What's Next?

by Sea Breeze in

a year ago

those who will be taken to heaven will first need to be “changed, in a moment, in the blink of an eye, during the last trumpet.” therefore, while we do not use the term “rapture” here because of its wrong connotation, the remaining faithful anointed will be gathered together in an instant of time.

- the watchtower—study edition | july 2015. ok so they refuse to use the word "rapture".

kinda like they refuse to use the word church and clergy (except when it suits their purposes in court cases).

a year ago

TonusOH a year ago

Maybe next month's Watchtower will feature an article titled "The Pope: Unfairly Maligned?"

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What If The Tower Fell?

by Big Dog in

a year ago

what if the truly unthinkable happened and the tower went down?

perhaps the irs swooped in and claimed fraud and padlocked the headquarters and kingdom hall doors?

or the gb took the money and ran to a nice non-extradition country to live out their years?

a year ago

TonusOH a year ago

My mother would see it as expected persecution and hold on. At least at first. If the org was unable to communicate and get any kind of message out, I don't know what she'd do.

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If 1914 gets tossed

by Leathercrop in

a year ago

it feels like the change in reporting of hours becomes a fundamentally bigger deal every day.

the weight and importance placed on quantity was enormous, and now it's just gone.

even tho most witnesses really didn't keep "accurate" records so to speak hehehe.... this could very well be a precursor to even bigger doctrinal changes, like 1914. damn, would would happen then?.

a year ago

TonusOH a year ago

If they were going to drop or modify the 1914 teaching, they would need to ignore it and not mention it at all for a number of years, so that the rank and file forget about it. Then they can offer up new light and say that Jehovah has given them a new understanding through the holy spirit. They will word it the way they usually do- 'isn't it great that Jehovah has blessed us with this new understanding? How wonderful he truly is!'

No one will want to point out that this means that Jehovah was misleading them for more than a century. That kind of talk can get you in a room with three elders before you can say "apostate"! They will be forced to agree that it's amazing that they now have learned these new truths and look forward to facing the end of the present system of things, which is no doubt going to happen any second now.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

by Simon in

jw
friends

2 years ago

uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

13 days ago

TonusOH a year ago

Moses is a potentially good comparison, for those who believe that he wrote that he was the most humble man on Earth. It's almost like someone constantly insisting that he knows he is "a good person."

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Concealing Abuse videos

by TonusOH in

a year ago

i don't know if this has been posted here before, seeing as the videos are 4 and 5 years old.

the older one analuzes the coverup of csa by the wts, but also does a very good job of covering the 1975 issue:.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xft_aeqw2ga.

a year ago

TonusOH a year ago

The first video also explores a different group that has an even more horrifying history than the JWs. The JW-specific section starts around 19 minutes in.

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Concealing Abuse videos

by TonusOH in

a year ago

i don't know if this has been posted here before, seeing as the videos are 4 and 5 years old.

the older one analuzes the coverup of csa by the wts, but also does a very good job of covering the 1975 issue:.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xft_aeqw2ga.

a year ago

TonusOH a year ago

I don't know if this has been posted here before, seeing as the videos are 4 and 5 years old. The older one analuzes the coverup of CSA by the WTS, but also does a very good job of covering the 1975 issue:

There is also a two-part series on the Australian Royal Commission's investigation into how the WTS handled CSA cases:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsvJMlg_SaM

and

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6F58ZJt_qYU

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What do you think?

by Tahoe in

a year ago

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a year ago

TonusOH a year ago

There were some forms of proselytizing I did not mind, such as conversations with people who had genuine questions when they learned I was a JW. But going door-to-door on weekend mornings --especially in the over-worked territories we lived in-- meant that we were creating a situation where we were least likely to be welcome. And no one cared, because reporting hours was an important metric.

I don't know how many years I went door-to-door. Thirty? I may have had two or three good conversations in all of that time. I had far more useful conversations at work or with friends who simply had a question or two. I don't think I converted anyone, but I was able to discuss issues and even leave literature with them sometimes. Accosting people in the street or bothering them at the worst times is only good for adding an hour to the monthly total. Not so good for actually saving people.

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