Posts by TonusOH

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

by Simon in

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friends

uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

TonusOH

Notice both the gaslighting ("you do not speak for all survivors") and the misdirection ("CSA survivors[...] who are appalled at the smear campaign"). He handwaves his crimes as the 'mistakes' of a 'flawed individual' in order to claim that these do not prevent him from 'advocating against the cover-up of CSA.' He then goes back to gaslighting, by accusing others of "weaponizing CSA" to use against him.

The statement is an utter mess of poor excuses and rationalizations designed to handwave his disgusting behavior, while pretending that the real crime is when people expose him and refuse to allow him to reshape the narrative.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

by Simon in

jw
friends

uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

TonusOH

It's probably worthwhile to also point out that, if you ever express doubts or push back on Evans, he is very likely to go full scorched-earth against you. More than a few people got burned by him even though they were still trying to support him or help him. If you are not completely in his corner, he will see it as betrayal and turn on you.

When that happens, remember that you're not alone and far from the only person to experience it. And also that it wasn't worth it to stand by his side (or anywhere near him, to be honest).

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JW-God's channel of communication

by enoughisenough in

the faithful slave is considered god's channel of communication.

( though not inspired of god ) does anyone else find the use of the word channel interesting in this regard?

from where i am sitting it denotes spiritism.

TonusOH

The implication is clear: Jehovah is using them to communicate with the world. This is why it sounds so bad when they later claim to be fallible men who can get things wrong. If god wanted to use you as his channel of communication, why wouldn't he make sure that you got the message out clear and correct? Otherwise, doesn't it make god seem incompetent, that he cannot get his message across clearly? Why would your imperfect nature matter? Does god not know how to use people to get important messages across?

'God chose us to get this message to you, but please be aware that we might screw it up' is not the sort of thing that breeds confidence. It's the kind of thing a con man might say.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

by Simon in

jw
friends

uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

TonusOH

Thanks for the update, Kim/Mike. Hope everything is okay.

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JW profit from disasters

by enoughisenough in

some time back i questioned about jw making money from doing relief work for disasters.

i found this story on reddit and also noted some of the replies.

it makes me wonder how many would have left their own jobs and paid their way, giving free labor and some supplying free materials if they had know what was going on behind the scenes.

TonusOH

Thanks for the info, Beth Sarim.

They probably didn't do anything illegal, but it would be a bad look if they were prioritizing wealthy families in order to maximize the money they made from using free labor. If the only claims are from anonymous Reddit posts, there's not much to go on.

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JW profit from disasters

by enoughisenough in

some time back i questioned about jw making money from doing relief work for disasters.

i found this story on reddit and also noted some of the replies.

it makes me wonder how many would have left their own jobs and paid their way, giving free labor and some supplying free materials if they had know what was going on behind the scenes.

TonusOH

Interesting thread. I don't know what RBC is, though.

And I can only imagine the kind of career that the poster's father passed on. If he had that many skills --including implementation of SAP in the 1990s!-- he could have made a ton of money by not donating so much of his time and knowledge and energy to the WTS. And all the while attending meetings that made him 'uncomfortable.'

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Fading is better then completely leaving...comments?

by Witness 007 in

i got the internet in my house and realised it's all lies....but as a pioneer/ministerial servant i chose to fade.

see i had family and friends who were fully strict witnesses.

so i played the poor lost soul brother who is not sure what's happening.

TonusOH

ElderBerry, JW Facts has a good page on the generation teaching and how it changed in 1995.

https://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/generation.php

Before 1995, the idea was that the generation that saw the events of 1914 would not pass before the end. By 1995, that generation was in its 80s and 90s. They practically dropped the teaching, only to revive it in a modified form in 2010 (the overlapping generations teaching), which I think has been a huge mistake for them.

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Lloyd Evans Patreoff Pool February 2024

by DerekMoors in

happy new year!

time to give us your vote for lloyd's fall from grace this month.. december 6th he was at 406. as of today, january 3rd, he's at 388. that is exactly, on the dot, where he was january 3rd of last year!

he's lost all gains from his begging videos and reminders and tin cup waving and etc.. so, fire up the shrooms and let us know where you think flab boy will be on february 2nd.

TonusOH

I'm curious if he will address the continuing drop or if he's looking for some other option. If he ignores it, it will continue to shrink as the die-hards start to wonder if he even cares anymore. If he begs again, the effect will be smaller than in the past. There are only so many times he can do that, and this might not be a good time anyway, what with the diminished output and potentially offensive content.

Will he lean on the most dedicated supporters? How long and how much can he drain before they decide to stop (and how nasty will he be to them, when that time comes)? What other avenues are available to him? Voice actor for Baldur's Gate 4?

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Deadpool 3

by Vidiot in

so, it’s gonna be a marvel studios production.. i’m holding out for the following titles:.

”deadpool: agent of shield”.

”deadpool v spider-man: dawn of bromance”.

TonusOH

Some kind of samurai version?

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The Jehovah's Witness religion has ''Jumped the Shark''

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

what does jump the shark mean?.

the phrase “jump the shark” is a term in pop culture that originated from the tv show “happy days” and is used to describe a decline in quality.

it refers to the moment when a tv show or other product has reached its peak and starts to decline in quality.

TonusOH

I think the 'out of good ideas' explanation is the one that best fits the "jump the shark" theme. But it is also used to indicate that you've peaked and started on your way down.

They've been offering a few good ideas lately to ease the burden on the rank and file. Whether this continues remains to be seen. Easing the burden may bring on a transition period where the die-hards have to face some difficult decisions, but could help the organization survive in the long run.

I think they're at a crossroads. Becoming more mainstream may allow them to keep more people from leaving, but at the cost of their unique identity (which is not a bad thing).