They don't appear to be ashamed that they tried to hide behind technicalities in order to avoid reporting CSA to the authorities. "We didn't break the law," they exclaim, as a way of defending their refusal to protect children.
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Article: Pa. courts weigh whether Jehovah's Witnesses elders must report confessed child abuse
by AndersonsInfo inhttps://pennrecord.com/stories/654791353-pa-courts-weigh-whether-jehovah-s-witnesses-elders-must-report-confessed-child-abuse.
harrisburg – after the commonwealth court of pennsylvania dismissed a petition from a group of jehovah’s witnesses nearly two years ago, which argued the confidentiality of their confessions shielded them from being mandatory reporters of child abuse, the supreme court of pennsylvania overruled their colleagues and decided the commonwealth court must re-examine the action.. in a 24-page memorandum opinion authored by state supreme court chief justice debra todd and handed down feb. 13, the court found that their commonwealth court contemporaries violated the coordinate jurisdiction rule – which states “judges of coordinate jurisdiction sitting in the same case should not overrule each other’s decisions” – by its initial pair of separate findings that ivy hill congregation of jehovah’s witnesses did not have proper standing against the commonwealth’s department of human services, and that a grant of declaratory relief would not terminate the legal controversy.. todd was joined in the opinion by supreme court of pennsylvania justices christine donohue, kevin m. dougherty, david n. wecht and sallie updyke mundy.
justices p. kevin brobson and daniel mccaffery did not participate in the consideration or decision of this matter.. “appellant is a congregation of approximately 140 individuals in philadelphia, pennsylvania, who follow the tenets of the jehovah’s witnesses religion.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)
by Simon inuh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.
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TonusOH
"I am going to replicate my experience with dating girls, which is they lead you on and lead you on and lead you on, then they reject you"
That doesn't make him sound like a clueless loser at all!
Also, I wonder if he is saying that, aside from verifying that all the sex workers he 'dated' were at least 20-years-old, he also made sure they had a minimum IQ score? "Sorry, you're really gorgeous, but you don't seem too interested in deep and thoughtful philosophical conversation. Can I have my money back?"
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Watchtower May 2024 Who is being referred to as 'we'?
by Listener inthis is the magazine that presents some of the 'new light' from the oct. 2023 annual meeting.
it discusses some of the things they have now decided they don't know and revised some of the things they do know, or think they know.
when they start discussing some of the things they do know, most of them are still guesses and they use qualifiers.
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TonusOH
I also recall that they would use conditional language in the past. I was growing up in the 70s and 80s, so it may be that the 1975 fiasco led to them being a bit more circumspect during that time.
It just highlights a problem for the GB: If they are god's mouthpiece but also get things wrong and have to use conditional language, how can you trust anything they say? How can they justify accusing people of apostasy for not slavishly accepting everything they say, when they know they are getting some things wrong?
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An intro to my experience
by drippee ingood evening,.
i had an old account a few years back but since then have had a lot happen to me.
i grew up in the faith, pioneered, did everything i could to keep my parents and peers off of my back, but nothing seemed to be enough to satisfy them.
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drippee: I miss my friends and family because I don’t have any now
This is how the organization traps you. They build up an innate distrust of "worldly" people and demand that you avoid any kind of relationship with them, especially friendship or romance. When you leave the organization, not only do you not have a support structure in place, you also have become "worldly" yourself, and you subconsciously apply the distrust and dislike to yourself.
So, you have two things you should focus on: ridding yourself of the negative self-image, and finding friends and relationships among normal (not "worldly") people. If you still believe in god, find a nearby church and see what it's like (this can be a difficult experience for those raised as JWs, again because of the negative association created by their "false religion" narrative).
If you no longer believe in god, then go places and meet people. Again, this can be difficult for someone raised in the insular and restrictive JW lifestyle. And it sucks that you are learning many social skills now that you should have learned as a teenager. But there's no substitute for taking control of your life and living it, mistakes and all.
Good luck!
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A special video has been released to assist people who have experienced child sexual abuse within the Jehovah's Witnesses in Australia
by jwleaks inarticle.
https://saysorry.org/2024/02/19/jehovahs-witnesses-and-the-australian-national-redress-scheme/.
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TonusOH
Vidiot: ten bucks says the loyalists put in charge of the “investigations” would dutifully obey any marching orders, not just because they’d knee-jerkly defend the Org against any threat, real or imagined
That is what is described in the Australian Royal Commission document that summarized the JW portion (Case Study 29). Elders who dealt with two specific cases ignored or suppressed their instincts and followed the WTS guidelines to the letter. I think it was part blind obedience and part not wanting to deal with a nasty subject. But it meant that they put victims through additional trauma while they minimized the harm done to the perpetrators... even when they admitted to multiple occasions of abuse with multiple victims!
The lapses in memory were obviously meant to protect themselves and the organization. Even in the case where one elder's detailed notes were found (and read back to them), they maintained that they could not recall certain events or messages. Which makes it seem as if they didn't think a CSA case was important enough to remember! They preferred to come across as extremely insensitive idiots than to admit that the whole system was set up to railroad victims and protect child rapists.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)
by Simon inuh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.
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TonusOH
I thought we had a topic on it, but it looks like the topic was just asking for more info.
https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5076755769982976/there-dummies-on-robert-hendriks-thread
It links to a reddit thread. The info it has is a bit vague, and I don't recall if it has been verified.
https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/1ap41ao/robert_hendriks_no_longer_head_of_us_pid/
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A special video has been released to assist people who have experienced child sexual abuse within the Jehovah's Witnesses in Australia
by jwleaks inarticle.
https://saysorry.org/2024/02/19/jehovahs-witnesses-and-the-australian-national-redress-scheme/.
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TonusOH
They certainly don't hold back.
"Don’t be deterred by the current disinformation being published by either the Jehovah’s Witnesses institution or its Public Information Department."
They refer to the WTS's letter claiming that "the religion... does not and never has sponsored any activities that have resulted in children being under its care, custody, supervision, control or authority." They respond "These claims are patently false."
It looks like the redress scheme is intended to make the process less stressful for victims than a civil suit would be, though the latter could lead to much larger compensation. I think they understand how difficult it is for victims to go through a court action, and why many would prefer to take no action. I wonder if they will ever report the number of people who filed for, and received, redress through the scheme.
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Where is Tony?
by Athanasius inon february 22, 2023, anthony morris iii was officially removed from the governing body of jehovah's witnesses.
a few months later it was revealed that the watchtower bought him a house in lumberton, north carolina.. however, and correct me if i am wrong, since leaving the gb nobody has reported seeing tony attending jw meetings or participating in field service.
in fact nobody has reported seeing him anywhere, not even at a local liquor store.
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TonusOH
The GB never seemed to be good at keeping secrets. If they're doing such an effective job now, it's because the truth would really hurt them, is my opinion. They're keeping it quiet to protect their own skins.
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The Date for the Memorial is WRONG this year!
by Kelley959 inan interesting video was on youtube with a person claiming that the memorial date for 2024 was wrong.
so i consulted three different jewish calendars online and sure enough, he appears to be right.
i went back to 2014 and forward to 2027. they have the future dates listed.
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Sounds suspiciously like a cover up...
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)
by Simon inuh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.
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TonusOH
By the way: some months back in this topic, pr0ner linked to a YouTube video by HBomberguy about plagiarism on YouTube. It's a fun video to watch, in the same way a train wreck can fascinate us. It has to be, the damned thing is almost four hours long.
The last two hours are a brutally savage takedown of a YouTuber named James Somerton. I'd never heard of the guy before watching the video, but apparently he'd become quite popular (and very well-paid) by creating video essays about gay topics in movies and media. The issue is that he did so by finding articles and books that other people had written, and using their words as his script. Whenever this was discovered, he would scramble to hide the video and make excuses and --in one case-- complained that one of his critics and her (tiny) Twitter following had made death threats. So his (much larger) Twitter followers made that critic's life utter hell.
So... lazy, entitled, dishonest, egocentric in the extreme, and always playing the victim while his followers harrassed his critics. Sound familiar? The outcome is interesting: Somerton's "career" as a video essayist is done. Burned to the ground. He deleted everything. His YT channel. His Twitter account. His Discord. Even his Patreon, which had more than 3,600 paying supporters with tiers from $1 to $100. He made a rambling apology video (since removed) where he made excuses and claimed to have attempted suicide. It did not go over well.