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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

  by Simon in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

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  As for growing his YouTube subscriber base, keep in mind that there are two uses for that word. You can subscribe to a channel for free. You can also agree to support it via a paid subscription. Growing the channel by 800 subscribers could mean he has added some income, and it could mean he has added none.

  Also, I am not aware that YouTube pays out for how many subscribers your channel has, paid or unpaid. They pay based on video views and income generated by ad views and clicks. If you have 100,000+ subscribers and your video got 12,000 views, you're paid based on the latter, not the former.

  He can buy as many fake YT subs as he wants- they are obviously not watching his videos. And this is where his laziness hurts him a lot. If he gets 10k-20k views per video, that's not bad if you are creating videos every day, or at least a few times a week. But he is struggling to upload content.

  And, as someone who has had a relatively successful channel for several years, he could also attract sponsors... if he didn't have that messy past to deal with, thanks to his own video confession. A single 60-second sponsor spot in each video would probably pay enough to cover modest living expenses for a month, especially in Croatia.

  He can blame whoever he wants, but his present situation is entirely of his own making.
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  NPCs at the Kingdom Hall

  by Simon in

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  in case you're unfamiliar with the acronym, an npc is a "non playable character" in a game.

  typically, they are kind of a placeholder that do set things rather than being controlled by another player or any kind of ai to vary what they do.

  they just follow a script.

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  I do recall that there were some couples in our KH who always sat in the same seats. They would even get a bit snippy if someone else happened to be sitting in "their" seats. They could be like NPCs, in that you always knew where to find them (and how to get them to react).
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

  by Simon in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

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  His trip to Canada to try mushroom therapy was fully paid for by someone else, as he tells it. During his livestream, someone offered to pay for a trip anywhere around the world for him and his family. There are wealthy people who will bankroll him for some time. But that's a Faustian bargain, in the long run.

  If he cannot get a large and diverse base of financial support, those wealthy donors will find a new beneficiary. Why throw money after someone who has stopped 'making a difference' and has come to expect your continuing support? Does anyone think that Evans won't turn on these rich patrons once they turn off the money spigot? Do any of them think he won't consider their action a betrayal?

  He can only ride the "Blame Kim" train for so long, and --in spite of his promise to follow up for decades-- he will need to find a new villain to blame his problems on. A group of wealthy former patrons with buyer's remorse would be the logical choice.
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  Dates and times

  by jhine in

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  last night at my bible study group we looked at 1thessalonians ch 5 .

  we have been working through the whole letter.

  verses 1-11 start with .

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  westibilly11: If so, why would they? What would be their motive?

  There is no shortage of people who have predicted the date of the end over the past two thousand years. I think that, for most of them, the motive was a sincere desire to know. The early predictions of men like Russell and Rutherford were probably formed from a desire for it to happen, a desire to see it, and at least in part the realization that it would get people's interest piqued.

  Surely, the WTS could not ignore the growth that occurred during the late 60s and early 70s after Franz wrote about the 1975 date. By this time, bitter experience had led them to provide the occasional disclaimer and not sound quite as certain as the early leadership. And if the words used just so happen to mislead people into staying, well... those increases sure did look good.
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  Lloyd Evans Patreoff Pool March 2024

  by DerekMoors in

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  for those still interested in lloyd's fall from grace, i made up a chart of my own.

  april 2023 is when he put out his "things are bad" tin cup begging video, and he got a small surge to 592 on the 13th of that month.

  i'm also using his all-time peak of 897 from november 2022.. for march, we're gonna say a modest -15, putting him at 352. i'm also curious as to when he might hit 300 and then 200. if he keeps up with an average of -20 every month, he'll be at less than 190 before the end of this year.. happy guessing everyone..

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  His activism career is looking rather flaccid these days.
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  Hailstone message AND everyone will be saved? Questions

  by slimboyfat in

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  i’ve not been paying close attention to watchtower developments, but talking to a jw yesterday it occurred to me the society (yes, still use that term - old school) have been sending out mixed messages in recent years.

  from what i gather, a few years ago the gb announced that during the great tribulation jws would be required to preach a “hailstone message of judgement” which involved telling people it was too late for them to repent and they were definitely going to be destroyed.

  there were hints that this could be very soon, “any day now” preaching could stop and the hailstone message come in, kind of thing.

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  Well, I agree that their newest "light" sounds like nonsense. Are you "JW Lite" people still convinced that this is the right organization to remain in? At some point, the doubts overwhelm any reason to stay in, don't they?
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

  by Simon in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

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  As for getting a job... imagine a guy who can't bring himself to make a few hours of video content in a month for two or three thousand dollars. What are the odds that he is willing to do 40 hours of menial work each week for one or two hundred dollars? This is a guy who got a few thousand in donations (in a 90 minute livestream) for admitting he was a pervert and a creep!

  When he talked about how he spends his 'wages' he compared himself to a doctor. Not a dishwasher or janitor. He travels the world doing important activism work and meeting his fans at book signings. I don't think he will tolerate someone giving him orders for $8/hour. When his grift stops making him enough money, I don't see what he could possibly do. Go crawling back home is his best option.
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  Hailstone message AND everyone will be saved? Questions

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i’ve not been paying close attention to watchtower developments, but talking to a jw yesterday it occurred to me the society (yes, still use that term - old school) have been sending out mixed messages in recent years.

  from what i gather, a few years ago the gb announced that during the great tribulation jws would be required to preach a “hailstone message of judgement” which involved telling people it was too late for them to repent and they were definitely going to be destroyed.

  there were hints that this could be very soon, “any day now” preaching could stop and the hailstone message come in, kind of thing.

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  This wouldn't be the first time that they tried to leave a message vague enough that they could walk it back later. It just seems like a pretty important belief, since it would affect the future hopes of people. Maybe the new GB no longer worry about the end coming anytime soon.
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

  by Simon in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

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  JeffT, I was thinking the same. I do think that some of his performances could be described as stomach-churning, so there's that.

  LMsA: the closest thing I could do to get into character was to rub my pelvic area

  Keep doing that, and you might start receiving texts from Gobbler69 Lloyd.
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

  by Simon in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

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  It's very difficult to keep dipping into my religious experience - a source of profound personal trauma

  "...in fact, it's so difficult and traumatic that I made it my fucking profession."

  
  

  (I know, I know, it's not an actual profession. But we work with what we've got.)