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  Former Jehovah's Witness elder committed to stand trial accused of Sunshine Coast rapes, sexual abuse

  by yalbmert99 in

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  https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-03-20/former-jehovahs-witness-elder-to-stand-trial-accused-of-rape/103612422.

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  Thanks, Earnest. That makes this much messier for the organization.
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

  by Simon in

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  uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

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  In the livestream, he claimed that he put that in the book so no one could use it against him later. Pull all those skeletons out of the closet, and he would be free!

  ...and then he continued to be a terrible human being and still can't figure out where it all went wrong.
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  If the org. Is being advised by consultants, is a name change in the works?

  by nowwhat? in

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  let's be honest, there's a stigma to the name jehovah's witness.

  if they are going more mainstream.

  i imagine the first recommendation was a name change.

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  I have to say, I wonder if they would welcome an exodus of the most hardcore JWs. If the idea is to appeal to a younger demographic that doesn't accept the old authoritarian ways, you can't help but make the long-time loyalists feel uncomfortable, if not outright unwelcome. Losing them would be a bumpy road, but what is left behind might be something to build on.

  I admit, I tend to see this stuff through the lens of an old-timer and long-time devout JW (whose experience spans mostly the 80s-90s). If they plan to go mainstream, that is the type of person they won't be able to cater to. If they are taking the long view, they need to let go of the people who are waiting on an end that will happen any minute now and build a membership of people who just live the life. You can't try to appeal to both, because both will leave.
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  Beautiful photos

  by LoveUniHateExams in

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  so, i thought i'd start a thread about any beautiful photos of places you've been to, or just beautiful photos.. i'll go first .... .

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  copyright: daniel burton.. this is bøur, a little village in the faeroe islands, population 74.. i've never been there but i'd love to visit one day.

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  Amazing photos.

  You didn't happen to summon an eldritch old god while you were there, did you?
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  Former Jehovah's Witness elder committed to stand trial accused of Sunshine Coast rapes, sexual abuse

  by yalbmert99 in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-03-20/former-jehovahs-witness-elder-to-stand-trial-accused-of-rape/103612422.

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  Mr Mitchelson was committed to stand trial in the District Court on 53 charges, while charges of incest and torture were dismissed due to a lack of evidence.

  Mr Mitchelson's defence barrister Saul Holt KC argued videos tendered to the court show acts that were consensual and "enjoyed" by those participating.

  They also want to add additional charges of witness tampering.

  In other words, as horrifying as this case will be, it could have been much, much worse. They did not mention whether the victims had reported the abuse to elders, and I am wondering if that will ever come up.
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

  by Simon in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

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  LMsA: You want your kids to see the police coming round asking for their dad again?

  He should be grateful if they're only looking for him in order to follow up on a lawsuit.

  What did he say on his livestream? "[his daughters are] gonna grow up eventually, and they're gonna want to know what's on the internet about their daddy." Don't worry, Lloyd-- we've got that covered!
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  How long before we see a Bro. wearing one of THESE ??

  by Phizzy in

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  I think both will eventually be allowed (earrings and tattoos), it might be a question of how it is handled. Do they just tell elders to ignore it, and only announce the change if people start to gripe? Do they get ahead of it by announcing it? The latter might have the same effect as the change regarding facial hair- next thing you know, half of the brothers are sporting new earrings, and half of the congregation is comparing their new tattoos.

  Maybe the new fad will be brothers getting tattoos of small earrings on their earlobes!
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

  by Simon in

  1. jw
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  uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

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  Yeah, the WTS is all about the cleansing light of truth, but they can't let people work from home because someone might see what they're working on, lol.
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  The coup against Tony Morris in order to make major changes?

  by Badfish in

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  it’s been a long time since i’ve kept up with anything jw-related.

  but just a couple days ago, i heard about all the new changes—beards, shunning, etc.

  i was surprised, so i asked an old friend who i hadn’t spoken to in ages what happened.

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  You've heard a lot more than most. We know that he is no longer on the GB, and that it appears the WTS set him up with a home in North Carolina. I hadn't heard anything about him controlling the GB and finally being removed. He certainly hasn't said anything. He's gone from Tight-Pants Tony to Tight-Lipped Tony. The WTS had put up a short note on the JW website that only said that "Brother" Morris was no longer a member of the GB, then they took it down shortly after, and that is the last that they have said about it.
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  Thoughts on Likely Upcoming Changes in the Org.

  by Phizzy in

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  2. beliefs

  i am thinking that the "ten year plan" that some have spoken of is the most likely scenario.

  the org.

  has to both attract new members and retain as many existing ones as possible.. so i think they will let the recent changes "bed in" for a while, maybe a year ?

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  The two-witness rule is fine for settling issues of sin or immorality that do not rise to the level of criminal actions. The problem with the two-witness rule is when it is applied in cases where there are crimes involved. Police need to be contacted, period. Their investigation and possible trial/conviction of a person is separate from the 'spiritual' investigation the elders are supposed to perform. There's no reason to prevent a person from going to the authorities or even advising against it when the law has been broken.

  They should also butt out of any sort of civil legal action taken by members of the congregation. If a brother ripped you off, a group of elders is probably not qualified to perform a proper investigation and would lack legal authority to do things like subpoena documents or personal records (phone/email/etc). Telling you to let it go because it might make the organization look bad is ridiculous and stupid. It also protects scammers who might realize that a JW congregation is a perfect place to con a bunch of people out of their money (a scenario that has happened before, from what I've been told).