Posts by TonusOH

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The Wild Beast Has Begun Eating the Whore

by Sea Breeze in

looks like the wt got one prediction right!

actually, it just proves that the governments really are god's minister.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkuaxwi4hey&ab_channel=fixingmyfaith.

TonusOH

From https://balkaninsight.com/2025/04/07/czech-state-comes-knocking-on-door-of-jehovahs-witnesses-with-deregistration-threat/

Deregistration of a religious association – which would be a first in Czechia – does not mean a ban on practicing the religion, but the loss of additional rights given to officially recognised churches, including the legal status and possession of a bank account, the ability to perform marriages, or to teach in its own theological schools.

This is the worst possible fate for the organization. The primary restriction is financial. They can continue to meet, pray, and preach. But raising funds won't be as easy. And it's not the same kind of persecution as being banned. They are being asked to stop certain policies, which will make people more aware of those practices.

More governments need to do this. You can practice your religion, but it's not as easy to raise money, and your flaws will be put on blast.

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God’s wisdom in allowing bearded JWs July 25 Watchtower

by Listener in

the july 2025 watchtower has a paragraph that claims that it was the superior power and wisdom of jehovah that guided the gb into allowing jws to grow beards.. the study article is ‘can you still learn from basic bible teachings?’ under the subheading ‘jehovah is the creator’ paragraph 7 states-.

“ 7. what did rahela do to accept a change in direction?.

your answer.

TonusOH

Ron W: I hate the way they try to include 'Jehovah' into every pathetic facet of their lives..

...unless it is something that went wrong, and then they remind us that unforseen circumstance may befall us at any time. They never come to the realization that Jehovah sure is fickle.

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Sisters can now wear pants. Any more important changes

by Witness 007 in

alot of my witness friends were excited sisters can now wear pants and you can say hi to disfellowshiped folks but what about important stuff child molesters in the congregation you need 2 witnesses blood fractions are fine but not whole blood????

607 bce is from the 1880s wrong....anything else?

TonusOH

Maybe the reason we celebrate birthdays is because we like to get together and party. I mean, holy crap, what kind of an organization makes you justify wanting to have a good time with some friends/family? lol.

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1975 debacle

by Gman2001 in

did the borg ever apologize for 1975?.

TonusOH

Perhaps nothing shows how deep the mind control goes than the way so many JWs accepted the blame for 1975. My mother always has insisted that the organization only ever said that we had to remain vigilant and made no statements that could be read as predictions or definitive statements about the end. Many JWs adopted this view even when they had read those statements and heard those talks.

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WASHINGTON ST PASSES BILL MANDATING CLERGY REPORTING CHILD ABUSE

by blondie in

jw
friends

https://www.thereflector.com/stories/washington-legislature-passes-bill-to-make-clergy-mandatory-reporters-of-child-abuse,378913 .

TonusOH

It should be pointed out that nothing stops a person, clergy or otherwise, from advising victims to report such crimes. The authorities are not limited by the two witness rule and have much more robust forensic tools and investigative approaches than a layperson does.

And, of course, if the general attitude was to report such crimes instead of worrying about tarnishing the organization's image, you could also make it a clear policy that this should always be done. Then, it becomes less of an issue whether the clergy should prioritize privacy over the safety of children.

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God’s wisdom in allowing bearded JWs July 25 Watchtower

by Listener in

the july 2025 watchtower has a paragraph that claims that it was the superior power and wisdom of jehovah that guided the gb into allowing jws to grow beards.. the study article is ‘can you still learn from basic bible teachings?’ under the subheading ‘jehovah is the creator’ paragraph 7 states-.

“ 7. what did rahela do to accept a change in direction?.

your answer.

TonusOH

If you believe that growing a beard was once a disfellowshipping offense, you might be a Jehovah's Witness!

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Blood decisions are now your problem: WT JULY 2025

by raymond frantz in

the following is from the latest study watchtower july 2025, study article 28, paragraph 17:.

each christian must make up his or her own mind about whether to accept or to reject these fractions.

we may find it a challenge to understand this matter fully, but making decisions like this is part of the load that each of us must carry.

TonusOH

The amount of resources they have put into this issue must be staggering. I wonder... would those hospital liason committees even exist if not for the need to make sure JWs don't get blood transfusions? I am guessing 'no.'

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Sisters can now wear pants. Any more important changes

by Witness 007 in

alot of my witness friends were excited sisters can now wear pants and you can say hi to disfellowshiped folks but what about important stuff child molesters in the congregation you need 2 witnesses blood fractions are fine but not whole blood????

607 bce is from the 1880s wrong....anything else?

TonusOH

The two witness rule has a couple of problems. One, eyewitness testimony is easily the least reliable form of evidence. Two, it is laughably easy to abuse, thus derailing the very justice it is supposed to serve.

I mean, it's fine for old-time religious investigations, like trying to determine if little Johnny has been whacking off to porn mags when he thinks no one is watching. It sucks for pretty much anything else. It's not a substitute for a forensic investigation in any case that actually matters.

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1975 debacle

by Gman2001 in

did the borg ever apologize for 1975?.

TonusOH

They didn't say anything about it until 1979 or 1980, when the explosive growth of the late 70s gave way to a drop in the number of publishers. Their first response was to insist that they made no definitive declarations and that anyone who behaved as if the end was near misread what they were being told and believed what they wanted to believe. I think it was many years later that they grudgingly admitted that maybe some of their words might have given some people the impression that the end was upon us.

Basically, their apologies consisted of "that was your fault" followed by "we're sorry your reading comprehension sucks."

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Why Witnesses get people to question there religion but they get disfellowshiped if they do it.

by Witness 007 in

yeah so we knock on doors and whatever religion we find we ask them to dismiss it and join us.

all other religions are a shame not real.

but if you questioned the j.w religion about 1914 or anything you would be disfellowshiped..

TonusOH

This is why they are so focused on the authority of the governing body, and why it is so difficult for them to let go of the 607BCE date and the 1914CE date. They use those to explain how Russell was guided by Jehovah into making an accurate prophecy that demonstrated that he (and they) were God's chosen. And if they are God's chosen, then whatever they say must be correct, and whatever anyone else says must be wrong.

They also need for JWs to only understand that superficial explanation, otherwise they might learn that Russell wasn't even close to getting his predictions right and that subsequent leaders edited his past to make it seem like he got things right. And, of course, lately they've had to admit that they're not all that special and that --in spite of being the only channel through which Jehovah guides humanity-- they get things wrong all the time.

But what hasn't changed is their policy-- disagree with them, and you're an apostate.