I think the biggest problem the WTS has with the separation of people into heavenly/earthly 'classes' is that there is no way to determine who has received the heavenly calling aside from "trust me." The issue became quite clear as the number of participants first stabilized, then started to increase. Today, it is more than 20,000. They may try to dismiss it as mental illness, but that means that a very large number of mentally sick people are partaking of the wine and crackers each year. The other option is that there is a large number of JWs who are deliberately partaking when they know they are not among the chosen. That's not a good look.
TonusOH
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The Coming Global Salvation - (Not Universalism)
by Sea Breeze inthe overwhelming majority of the early church leaders (fathers) were premillennial and believed in a literal 1000 yr. kingdom.
today, 2/3 of christians are amillennial.
i do not want to imply that amilennialists, are not christian.
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WAR begins.
by lastmanstanding inthings are moving right along.
“israel” has gone to war with iran.. who is fooled?.
this is uncle sam, same as in ukraine.. daniel layed out clearly the events of “d day” june 6, 1944 as the “ships of kittim” would sail against the king of the north.
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LMsA: If I were Iran I’d be running to Trump right now and begging for a deal.
It looks like they've been doing that almost from the beginning. Trump has made the terms pretty clear: abandon all nuke development. I think he is also inclined to let Israel do whatever it can to help overthrow the Iranian government. The pressing question remains whether the US will take any direct action, and what that will lead to.
As for Israel, they must see this as a very rare --and perhaps their only-- opportunity to reshape the Mideast more to their liking. Trump hasn't just given them the green light to act, he's moving ships and planes to the area and making loud noises on social media. I figure he is doing this to warn off anyone else from interfering until Israel gets what it wants.
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Know it’s not true but stay anyway
by Elena inhow many of the millions of jws know it’s not true but stay anyway?.
my guess is most jws know it’s not true on a subconscious level to an extent but they don’t want to think about it too much and would never ever voice it out loud.. but this is probably true with all religions around the world?.
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Elena: What if you decide not to do any heavy lifting?
If you decide to stay in because you don't want to deal with the fallout from admitting that you do not believe, then do what you must. But don't call it agnostic. You're not staying in because you're not sure who has the truth. You're staying in because the organization has put you in a difficult spot, which is the way they operate. It isn't because you're not sure you believe. It's because you fear the consequences of leaving.
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Reddit thread on convention video urging cutting off contact with Faders
by LongHairGal ini just read this.
don’t know if anybody here has seen the video.. the intended result of this is to obviously scare ‘faders’ out of the shadows.
now, they are being threatened with loss of association with their loved ones and friends.
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Mikejw: You just go because it’s a nice social club.
Anyone who believes this way has never been outside of the JW bubble. It's a social club where suspicion is the most prevalent feeling. Not warmth, not camaraderie. You know that the people around you --who are treating you like best friends and closest family-- will do a complete 180 and turn their backs on you ("for your own good") the moment they learn that you're not 100% loyal.
It's only like a social club if your idea of a social club is a prison. It doesn't matter how nice the people are and how long you've been friends. They're keeping an eye on you, and won't hesitate to turn on you. Stay in if you want to or have to, but don't lie to yourself that it's anything like a nice social club.
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Applying the facial hair change in New Order portrayals
by careful ini have a hard time watching the org's vids and reading the publications.
however, that's not the case with others here.
hence this post.
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They seem to be leaning into the idea of short, sparse beards. I don't think they'll be taking many pictures of JW men in the Midwest or southern USA.
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Video: I Am Not An Apostate . . . I Had The Courage To Think For Myself (By Exjw Danny)
by AbaddonProvesIt ini had the courage to think for myself!
they’ll call us apostates.
but really, we just had the courage to think for ourselves.
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For JWs, the important thing is not that the GB had something right or wrong. The important thing is that they accepted whatever was being told to them and did not challenge it, even if they did not agree with it. They must accept that Jehovah will frequently mislead his people by giving the GB the wrong information or knowledge.
If you come to the perfectly reasonable conclusion that a group of men who have to constantly correct themselves may not be getting their information direct from God... you are an apostate. An opposer. An enemy. You are the one type of person they cannot allow in their community, and you must be removed before you can spread your dangerous ideas.
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WAR begins.
by lastmanstanding inthings are moving right along.
“israel” has gone to war with iran.. who is fooled?.
this is uncle sam, same as in ukraine.. daniel layed out clearly the events of “d day” june 6, 1944 as the “ships of kittim” would sail against the king of the north.
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I don't see any scenario where Russia or China provide Iran with nukes. The region is too unstable and still under the heavy influence of a dangerous religious ideology that makes it unpredictable. A nuclear exchange in the Mideast would have both long range and long lasting consequences.
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1/2 of the Jehovah’s witnesses have gone
by hoser inthere are 1/2 of the jehovah’s witnesses that there were 30 years ago in my area.
some have left but i think that many have died and none of their kids stayed being jehovah’s witnesses.
7 congregations have been dissolved over the years.
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slimboyfat: I can’t stand these AI generated videos. Maybe someday they’ll get better, but as it is I find them unwatchable.
Same. Almost every time, they are low-effort crap designed for quantity over quality. In many instances, even the script is auto-generated from simple prompts. And the creator doesn't even do the courtesy of listening to it to make sure there aren't any poorly-pronounced words (to say nothing of accuracy of the information). As if the dry monotone wasn't bad enough, you get weird spacing of words and pronunciations that would be funny if it wasn't so irritating.
It's bad enough that AI is effectively inevitable, but the lack of quality means that the net contribution to overall quality of entertainment/edutainment is very negative. And this is just the start. We are probably in for several years of being swamped by endless waves of creative sewage from the same content mills that already was posting too much worthless crap online. And, if it is lucrative enough, it will probably just get worse.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)
by Simon inuh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.
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A few years running a 'translation business' would probably mean a very tiny pension, or none at all. His only source of income will be his exJW grift. There isn't anything else he can do that would provide a living wage.
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Know it’s not true but stay anyway
by Elena inhow many of the millions of jws know it’s not true but stay anyway?.
my guess is most jws know it’s not true on a subconscious level to an extent but they don’t want to think about it too much and would never ever voice it out loud.. but this is probably true with all religions around the world?.
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We are unable to disprove the existence of anything that doesn't actually exist. Yet, we are not agnostic about all of them. In fact, we comfortably live our lives as if these things are not real. Even in some of the cases where we do believe, we still live our lives without constantly peering over our shoulders.
The "agnostic" part of PIMA is doing some incredibly heavy lifting, and it's a smokescreen. What the A really stands for is "afraid." Afraid of losing family and friends to shunning. Afraid of losing the only social support that you were allowed to build. Afraid of losing stature in the small, tight-knit community you can't seem to escape. Let's call it what it is: Physically In, Mentally Afraid. Agnosticism has nothing to do with it.