Posts by TonusOH

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Adam & Eve: Perfect but not everlasting life?

by pixel in

so i was watching annual meeting.

towards the end of jackson’s talk, he says: .

“perfection doesn’t automatically means someone will get everlasting life.

TonusOH

I find it odd, but many of the interpretations imply that the tree is so impossibly powerful that God couldn't reverse its effects. His only chance of foiling Adam and Eve was to prevent them from reaching it, as opposed to making the fruit poisonous. Or making the tree invisible. Or just destroying it with a snap of his fingers. Or just destroying Adam and Eve with a snap of his fingers. You know-- quietly murdering them and replacing them with replicas and threatening the angels so that no one would ever talk about it...

Then again, we're talking about a guy who struck a man dead for the sin of trying to keep the ark of the covenant from falling when the oxen carrying it stumbled while crossing a river. Insanely violent overreaction seems to be his modus operandi. Thoughtful and deliberate plans are a bit too boring for a book chronicling your exploits, I suppose.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

TonusOH

It's true, a police investigation may not go anywhere. I don't know how it works in the UK, but in the USA they would need to subpoena phone records, and to do that they will need to show cause (which is to say, they'll need to already have some basis for making the request). And even then, they'll may get some pushback (companies will suddenly decide that customer privacy is of paramount important at the oddest times). And all they might get is confirmation that texts or calls were made between two numbers-- no evidence at all of what was sent or said.

Then there is the effort of finding the people involved, finding anyone who might have seen or heard anything, and talking to as many of them as possible to see if a consistent/reliable narrative emerges. And, of course, getting the cooperation of those involved, especially the victim. If she decides she has 'moved on' or decides she does not want to go through the process, there isn't much the police can do. (And while it may seem sensible to expect the cops/DA to lean on the victim, you'd think differently if you've ever seen the effect it can have on a victim to try to relive the crime.)

Having pictures/copies of texts or recollections of calls/conversations is so flimsy from a legal standpoint that no DA worth his salt would even consider a case on those merits-- even if he feels that a crime was committed. Photos or video are much more compelling... but unless there is a clear smoking gun, you'd still need the victim's cooperation. Sometimes we need to remember that the court of public opinion has an extremely low bar for proving a case, which is why it's so unreliable (and sometimes so unfair).

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

TonusOH

I hope it's fake. Because it's pretty goddamned awful, even as fiction.

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Marc O'Donell's statement: Lloyd and the conflict of Interest

by Diogenesister in

as expected from a man who prioritizes the most vulnerable members of our community, marc has made a sober statement that explains why there's a deep conflict of interest between lloyds recent behaviour and the work they do at jw watch.

you can read it here:.

public statement of mark o’donnell.

TonusOH

Why would he tell her to stop?

A desire not to be a horrible person? A smidgen of self-control? A determination to clear the lowest rung of human decency? A sense of self-preservation, at the very least?

A 14-year old girl who is that sexually promiscuous is likely dealing with some emotional and/or psychological issues and needs someone to help her develop self-esteem and a sense of her own value as a person. Being treated as a sex toy by an older man is child abuse.

We might also expect that a person who behaves in this manner -and who excuses it by insisting that he is unable to control himself- shouldn't then launch a website and video channel where he spends an inordinate amount of time playing the role of a moral scold. Because, one day, the whole rotten structure might come tumbling down on his head.

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Governing Body busy with building projects...looking beyond the ''last days''

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

in addition to studio space, the planned ramapo-tuxedo complex would total 1.5 million square feet.

the complex would include offices, 600 housing units in multiple-family buildings, underground parking, a fitness area, and a visitor center for the public.. .

here is anthony morris in a jw broadcasting february 2022, reading a (fake) letter from a ''concerned brother.

TonusOH

I think that line C is actually showing 1,451,217,000. Was this after they had sold off all/most of the Brooklyn properties? That's quite a nest egg. And since they're a 501(c) corporation, they enjoy some tax breaks as well.

I'm curious how they're doing now. They have been asking the membership to dig deep into its collective pockets for "donations to the worldwide preaching work." And they also launched an ambitious development project, because after god wipes out 99.99% of the human population, there will be lots of extra bandwidth for video downloads! I wonder why the holy spirit wouldn't guide them so that they make the right investment picks and never have to beg for donations again...

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What's the deal with Cheese and Apple Danishes at conventions.

by pistolpete in

this was before my time, but there was this post that had 308 comments testifying that the best thing of being a jehovah witness back in the day was the convention's meals.

is this true?.

one quote out of 308;.

TonusOH

I don't remember how good the danishes were. But the soft-serve ice cream was amazing.

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Ukraine and Armageddon

by jhine in

i'm going to take a wild stab in the dark here and guess that the watchtower is having a wonderful time over the whole ukraine situation.

is the whole " end of times " thing being pushed again to bring dissidents back into line .

they must be seeing as a gift from above .

TonusOH

It's the Sunk Cost fallacy: once you have invested so much into a belief, it can be very difficult to let it go, since that means you wasted a lot of time and energy that you won't get back.

I'm old enough to remember when the UN declared 1986 the year of peace and security, and the WT making note of it. But after enough time, you get used to the WT pointing out yet another sign that the end is very close. But not that close, God is patient and wants all to be saved! But still, it's really close. Just not quite yet. But honest, it's super close, it's almost here! But not yet. But almost. But...

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The "WE'RE ALL IMPERFECT" Theory.

by pistolpete in

a recurring theme in this loyd deal is the we're all imperfect-----------excuse!.

the "we're all imperfect" phrase, is an over used watchtower membership cliche, embedded in the minds of jws and anyone that leaves.

in the real world, there is no such thing as "we are all imperfect".

TonusOH

"I can't control my pee-pee" is the same justification that rapists and pedos use. I don't think it's valid.

Even worse, he is saying "I can't control myself... and neither can any of you!" As if to imply that his behavior is defensible, if not normal or expected.

And to that, I say "nope! Lots of men demonstrate sufficient control of their members so as to avoid disgracing themselves and their families. Your lack of control is not the rule, it's the exception."

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