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KIMSILVIO: I don’t think PB had ever spoken to dijana before that time and dee would never have told me no matter what unless lloyd had ok’ed it with her.
Thanks, Kim. I had thought that way because it seemed like the most logical reason for him to talk about something so ugly. That makes me think that the other, less charitable, explanations are the correct ones.
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not a hint of a new date for the great tribulation.
the attitude of jw is that they expect it immediately although the inter-lapping anointed allows for any additional extended time.
given the time of the end, the end comes after the good news is preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations with the internet and 108 years and tons of publications even in finnish.
The impression I always got was that "soon" referred to the next few years. And even that stretches the definition as we typically use the word. I knew many JWs (and heard of many more) who felt that way. I was in high school in the early 80s, and did not expect to graduate before the end came. Then we were expecting it at any time before the year 2000, as the WTS appeared to. After that, it became more of a general expectation, but I am not sure because by then I was well into my fade. Every time I've spoken to my mother in the last 20 years, she has tried to impress on me that the world situation is so bad that things cannot continue much longer and the end is close.
I'm not sure she even realizes how often she has been telling people how close the end is. Forty or so years at the very least. If you had approached her in the 1970s and told her that the end was close, but would not arrive for another fifty years, she likely would have dismissed such a statement as nonsensical and idiotic. How could one have a sense of urgency for events that were still a half-century away? Each passing year makes it more nonsensical and idiotic. But since they've been waiting for "soon" all of this time, it is difficult to recognize the larger picture. Imagine deciding not to have children because the end will come in 50 years? Or putting off a college degree? Or a career?
many people here have expressed faith in evolution and in other theories—but in all honesty, do you have any hope whatsoever in your heart or in the back of your mind ?
truthfully..
slimboyfat: I’m not saying it’s improbable that the universe arose by itself. I’m saying it doesn’t make sense.
I feel much the same way. There seem to be two approaches:
1. The mass of the universe --which is an amount I cannot comprehend-- was once reduced to a pinpoint that was many times smaller than an atom --a measurment I cannot comprehend. At some point, it began to rapidly expand outwards, allowing the universe to exist and begin to take the form it has today.
2. A being --who exists on some plane of reality outside of our physical universe, and who has always existed (cannot comprehend!)-- created this universe and everything in it.
Neither of those make intuitive sense. I recognize that I lack the requisite education in astronomy and physics to understand the first concept. I accept that scientists have come to some general agreement on it, and that they must show their work in order to support any claims made in that direction. But, at my level as a layman, I do not comprehend it.
As for the latter, while I am willing to accept that a God could exist, I cannot accept the concept of a caring interventionist, given what I do understand. This being creates this universe, and creates an infinitesimally tiny speck within it which harbors even tinier beings who dwell upon its surface. And this being is concerned with demanding the respect and adoration of these beings, threatening them with eternal joy or pain as a result of their choices. How does someone create something as magnificant as the universe, then become so petty when dealing with the tiniest speck within? I cannot comprehend this.
If God exists, I think it's an unemotional scientist. Or at least it has no emotion towards us- we're the crud growing in one of his petrie dishes, which he'll eventually flush down the sink after making a few notes and trying again. If God doesn't exist, then the universe apparently came about this way through a mechanism that is not yet completely understood. And that would be the truth, whether it made any sense to me or not.
hi everyone i’m not pimi or pimo i’m pima.. i don’t think the gb have everything right but i’m sitting on the fence that maybe they do some things.. if the great trib starts i will jump that side of the fence.. this is a definite little sneaky advantage dodging but even by their own doctrine last min some could come in.. i suspect many are like me.. i spent years in bethel and am very disappointed and disillusioned by it all.. but at the end of the day i love the bible and think it is the word of god and i don’t see any other religion that comes as close to what jesus describes his true followers or who are fulfilling mat 24:14..
Does anyone know the entire truth? Absolutely not.
It's lines like this that make me wonder if you're having a bit of fun at our expense. But it did make me chuckle.
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pr0ner: The whole thing is kind of a lesson in being patient.
I agree, though with Lloyd I think there are a couple of related issues that affected his response.
1. His desire to control the narrative. That meant villifying anyone who had leaked the info and anyone who might spread it, then giving his own version of events. The problem with this is...
2. ...he doesn't seem to think that his actions were wrong. So his livestream, which was meant to get control of the situation, instead made things worse because he freely admitted to cheating on his wife with prostitutes on a regular basis for years.
3. This was exacerbated by his arrogance. He made it clear that he felt it was no one's business what he did with his private life and with the funds donated to him, even though these were given to him by people who wanted to support his efforts in making exJW video content and not in support of his desire to buy sex from street workers. He seems to believe that he is doing his supporters a favor by making exJW videos, and he finds it incomprehensible that they would care about his personal life.
4. This was also made worse by his approach to criticism. And that means criticism of any kind- even if a supporter is trying to make a minor point, he sees it as an attack. And he only seems to know one way to respond: with full aggressiveness and no quarter given, until his target is crushed and humiliated. I don't think he was able to sit down and make a sober assessment of the situation, because destroying Kim was all he cared about.
I think it is to be expected that his sense of self-preservation did not fully kick in until he'd blown everything up. So he has been attempting damage control ever since. But, due to the above factors, he's doing this the way he does everything else-- aggressive, unrelenting, unapologetic. No surprise, then, that it's not going well.
during the massacre of many witnesses at a kingdom hall in germany the other night, where was jehovah's holy spirit ?
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As I recall, in moments like this the organization would say that unexpected circumstance can overtake us at any time, based on a Bible verse from Paul. I can recall them saying it after a particuarly horrific incident (in Japan, I think it was) where an angry husband set a fire at the entrance of a KH which did not have another exit. 87 people died that night. I often wondered about that. Ever single meeting where we had a prayer, we prayed that Jehovah would watch over our brothers around the world and protect them. Those prayers were not always heard.
hi everyone i’m not pimi or pimo i’m pima.. i don’t think the gb have everything right but i’m sitting on the fence that maybe they do some things.. if the great trib starts i will jump that side of the fence.. this is a definite little sneaky advantage dodging but even by their own doctrine last min some could come in.. i suspect many are like me.. i spent years in bethel and am very disappointed and disillusioned by it all.. but at the end of the day i love the bible and think it is the word of god and i don’t see any other religion that comes as close to what jesus describes his true followers or who are fulfilling mat 24:14..
If that's who this is... I'm wondering how someone can be so insistent on rock solid evidence in one thread, yet quick to accept whatever some internet quack has to say about vaccines/moon landings in other threads. A bit of a lack of consistency.
“1975” still marks 6000 years from the creation of adam in wt calendar.
according to “all scriptures inspired” book, there is a gap between the creation of adam and the creation of eve and her marriage to adam.
it was at that point in time when eve was created that marked the end of the 6th creative day and the beginning of god’s rest, the 7th day as recorded in genesis.
According to the story, Adam lived to be 930 years old. So there's a very long gap that might exist. In other words, JWs can milk this thing for decades to come.
cofty could you answer how the single cell came about by chance?.
i know the argument for complexity in nature says natural selection over billions of years but this could not explain the complexity of the single cell the building blocks of life?.
but there has to be something that never had a beginning or else what was before that?
The idea that there was always something can be applied to the universe. Matter and energy could have always existed. While both options seem impossible, it strikes me as less likely that something as incalculably complex as God would always exist instead of matter and energy. If you feel that the simplest and clearest explanation is the better one, I don't see how you would prefer a God always existing versus the basic components of a universe.
And if a God can conjure up a universe out of nothing, then it is possible for something to exist from nothing, which seems to contradict your belief regarding the possibility of a universe coming into existence. In other words, either option works with or without a God. That cannot be used to disqualify one or the other.
