Posts by TonusOH

so the end was going to come by 2000 as documented in the magazines back in the late 80's early 90's.. so how did they get the time off so badly ( over two decades and still nothing) since the gb is jehovah's earthly mouthpiece right ?

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TonusOH

Thanks, baldeagle. That 1971 book was obviously published after Everlasting Freedom of the Sons of God, which started the 1975 drum-beating. So that fits with the idea that the end would begin well before the end of the century.

Like the others said, I was not aware that they had made these statements in the 60s and early 70s. It seems as if they finally realized, entering the 1990s, that the end might not come before the year 2000 after all. This is the kind of stuff that the rank and file need to see more of, because it would make you question whether there is any reason to feel a sense of urgency today.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

TonusOH

I think he took the initial comments from Old Goat personal, then couldn't let the discussion go. As others are saying, it's pretty much what you recognize from him even now-- he overreacts and then will not let go unless he gets the last word in. And as passive-aggressive as ever.

He is way too sensitive.

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We are now 23 Years past Armageddon as the GB stated

by JohnTron7 in

so the end was going to come by 2000 as documented in the magazines back in the late 80's early 90's.. so how did they get the time off so badly ( over two decades and still nothing) since the gb is jehovah's earthly mouthpiece right ?

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TonusOH

Interesting. That magazine is from 1961. It doesn't surprise me to see them that confident when looking ahead.

I wonder if Franz was already working on his book (the one that referred to 1975). It was released around 1965 or 1966, wasn't it?

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We are now 23 Years past Armageddon as the GB stated

by JohnTron7 in

so the end was going to come by 2000 as documented in the magazines back in the late 80's early 90's.. so how did they get the time off so badly ( over two decades and still nothing) since the gb is jehovah's earthly mouthpiece right ?

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TonusOH

I think there might have been one mention that the end would come by/before the end of the century, but that was revised later to a more generic "in our day" reference. I don't recall that there was ever a particular push to identify the year 2000 as the end. By the mid/late 90s, they had settled into a "very close, any day now, right around the corner, later than you think" frame of mind. No specific days or dates, just a general sense that it was about to happen.

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Witnesses were Anti vaccine till 1950!

by Witness 007 in

"brother mcmillan wrote "faith on the march" about his wonderful life at bethel.

he wrote of an incident in 1943 where a group of witnesses in jail for refusing military service were against getting vaccinated and he came to the rescue visiting them and telling them it was ok. the reason for this was "the golden age" magazine in the 1920's describes vaccines as puss filled poison...so they were following their watchtower training..

TonusOH

I don't recall hearing anything about vaccines either. I got all of my shots in the early 70s as well. I think my parents were of the generation that had to suffer through many diseases that were all but eradicated by vaccines, so there wasn't much anti-vaxx sentiment at the time. Humanity lurches forward in a three steps up, two steps back fashion. There is the old saying that those who do not learn from the past are doomed to repeat it, but I think that's just our natural disposition- we repeat the past many, many times before we learn our lesson.

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I find it interesting that after the cult people still hold on to religion....

by BeaverEater in

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im not an atheist, makes no mathematical sense, nor does the buy(more) bull(shit) god make any logical sense... maybe a deist on my best day, in the end you cannot get something from nothing, paradox if you ask me... but in reality i just dont care.

while in, and moving out of the cult, its like a roller coaster, emotionally, yet, for me, over time, i just take it one day at a time, and if appeasing some special deity is required, well i guess i failed.

lol.

TonusOH

It was merciful to kill all of those children, because some of them would have been abused otherwise? That's... morbid.

Wouldn't a better solution be to not kill them, and also to protect them from sexual predators and terrible people? I mean, I'm not as inscrutable as God, but that strikes me as a legitimate option.

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An analysis of the recent 153rd Gilead Graduation talk by Jesse Morris (member of the US Branch Committee and son of Anthony Morris III)

by jwleaks in

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article from the last days newsletter (june 5-11, 2023).

it has been said that by reading the watchtower and awake!

magazines, along with other publications of jehovah’s witnesses, a person will receive, over a period of years, a considerable and broad education.. …would you like to grow in knowledge, obtaining an education of even much greater value than can be received in any college?

TonusOH

I remember that they used to disparage critical thinking. I think they referred to it as "high criticism" at one time, and they taught that it was a dangerous approach, as it might stumble those who do not reject it.

So it's nothing new, they know how to word things so as to mislead the rank and file. Note how that recent announcement states that they "are pleased to inform you" that they have "decided" to produce only one new issue of each of the magazines. They used to produce one of each every two weeks! They want the rank and file to see this massively-reduced output as a blessing of some kind.