Posts by TonusOH

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

TonusOH

Journeyman: people who donated to get him out of a hole will start to ask questions.

If he is lucky, they will ask questions. That would mean that they still cared enough, and would give him a chance to respond and perhaps talk them into continuing their support.

The bigger concern is that they will leave (or are leaving) quietly. No questions, no explanations, no "why I left" videos. They simply disappear. That is usually a sign that they are not leaving out of any disenchantment with his behavior-- they just don't consider his channel worth supporting anymore. They're not getting enough from him to justify the monthly expense. And they may have already found other places to spend that money instead.

I think he is getting close to the point where the only patrons left will be the die-hards and the people who haven't yet realized that they're still sending him money each month.

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Anthony Morris the III has been FOUND

by Terry in

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note: photos can be found on the blue envelope channelhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nakezkhqbmtony and susan morris are living in lumberton, north carolina.

a real estate document on the robeson county website is filed:.

the religious order of jehovah's witnesses has provided a "life estate" for them.they can live in this townhouse until they are deceased or choose to move away and in either case the ownership becomes entirely the property of jehovah's witnesses.

TonusOH

Regarding any CSA investigations, if a DA wanted to serve him, his status as a JW would not matter, only what he might be able to tell investigators. The WTS can remove him and find him a place to live, but they can't really shelter him from the law. At the least, it wouldn't look good. And it wouldn't stop him from being served with a subpoena.

I don't think it's anything to do with that, mostly because removing him and shuttling him off to a house in another state really wouldn't make much difference aside from how suspicious it would look. If it is anything to do with CSA, it would have to be a pretty bad situation for them to take such odd steps with him.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

TonusOH

Maybe the only entry so far is a drawing of a Christmas tree, screaming in terror.

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Anthony Morris the III has been FOUND

by Terry in

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friends

note: photos can be found on the blue envelope channelhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nakezkhqbmtony and susan morris are living in lumberton, north carolina.

a real estate document on the robeson county website is filed:.

the religious order of jehovah's witnesses has provided a "life estate" for them.they can live in this townhouse until they are deceased or choose to move away and in either case the ownership becomes entirely the property of jehovah's witnesses.

TonusOH

I wonder if that life is a step up or a step down. Maybe he is so used to being catered to and treated like a big shot, that it is disappointing to feel like just another anonymous citizen. On the other hand, not having the obligations and day-to-day work of running the organization, and being able to sit back and relax, that might be very nice. Especially if his financial situation is taken care of for as long as he needs.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

TonusOH

He's not gawking at the numbers, he's eyeing the happy meal.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

TonusOH

I think he might hide them, too.

Which would be hysterical.

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Where Does Watchtower Doctrine Contradict Scripture?

by Vanderhoven7 in

here are some areas that i have found:.

not only is watchtower eschatology offbase, which is not critical, but so is watchtower soteriology … which is critical.

the bible says not to put trust in men who cannot save.

TonusOH

I've got to side with EasyPrompt on this one, at least in regards to the specific point in question. The idea behind draining an animal's blood was to show reverence to the giver of life, yes? Breast-feeding is, in a world where god exists, a provision that god made for humans and thus would not be at odds with the edict against eating blood.

However, this also makes the recommendation in Acts a bit vague. Does "abstain from blood" also cover a blood transfusion in the present day? Blood collected for such uses is not (typically?) obtained by draining a corpse. And clearly the existence of blood fractions in mother's milk shows that the ban is not absolute. Would god be offended if blood were taken from one person for the purposes of saving lives?

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

TonusOH

Put me down for a loss of 21, Toblerone5.

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Did anyone really enjoy assemblies?

by SydBarrett in

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the twickenham post made me think of this.

i have a few jw family members on facebook and being summertime, their pics of the convention have shown up in my fb feed.

along with their comments about "i wished it would never end" or "what a glorious weekend".

TonusOH

We had one in Philadelphia's Veteran's Stadium in 1983, and I think we had at least two in the Nassau Coliseum on Long Island. Those were more than an hour each way, I think.

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At what point, does one become apostate to the religion of Jehovah's Witnesses?

by Vanderhoven7 in

at what point does a jehovah’s witness cease to be a jehovah’s witness?

what if a witness doesn't believe some of the official teachings of the governing body but remains silent on these subjects to avoid being disfellowshipped?

is he or she an apostate to the faith?

TonusOH

I don't think there is a clear demarcation, it is one of those things where it may be subject to interpretation.

I recall a Watchtower magazine article explaining how a couple was disfellowshipped for apostasy. They had a different interpretation of a matter and would not stop telling others about it. Later, the WT came around to the same interpretation, but the two were not reinstated. Their crime was not being right or wrong, but going against the directives of the GB. Presumably, they were warned to stop their behavior and ignored the warnings. So, which part made them apostates- disseminating a different view, or ignoring demands to stop?

Ray Franz, in Crisis of Conscience, explains that the GB took the approach that even thinking such thoughts was sufficient to constitute apostasy. Doubtless this was approach was taken specifically to deal with Franz and the others who were disfellowshipped for apostasy at that time. I don't think this is how they view it today, though they would probably warn the rank and file that entertaining such thoughts may lead to a bad outcome. In which case, thinking these things may lead to apostasy but not actually be apostasy.

And yet, apostasy would imply opposition to the WTS and the GB. The GB will refer to apostates as "opposers" sometimes. If you are a loyal JW, but you differ on a point or two, are you opposing the WTS/GB? Does it require action (telling others about it) or is it enough that you believe that they have it wrong? What if they change the teaching later? Were you an apostate for having it right when they had it wrong?