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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

  by Simon in

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  uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

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  Sounds like Mouth Breather Night Open Mic night didn't go so great.
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  WHAT HAPPENED WHEN GOD TRANSFERRED JESUS LIFE TO MARY PER WTS

  by blondie in

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  pardon all caps on original post title.

  https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/176336/blondies-comments-you-will-hear-05-31-09-wt-study-praise-forever.

  comments you will not hear at the 05-31-09 wt study (march 15, 2009, pages 24-28)(righteous forever).

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  "Biblical proof" or "scriptural proof" is a misnomer; the Bible makes claims. Proof or evidence must be sought out if one seeks to validate (or invalidate) those claims.

  In any case, this level of navel-gazing is fascinating to me. As if we're supposed to be concerned that god, when he caused a magical conception, made sure not to break any of the laws that he had given to the Israelites. The method is also of no real interest, save for the fact that it makes this claim impossible to corroborate. God could have waited for Joseph and Mary to wed and bed, and then replaced the fertile egg with one that contained his godly essence. He could have waited until their child was of a certain age, then transferred the child's soul to heaven and infused the body with his own intellect. And so on.

  It's academic, in light of what god wanted to accomplish. If the important thing was to preach the word of the new covenant and then sacrifice his life as a ransom for humanity, that could have been done in any of a number of ways. After all, the whole thing was being set up so that god could pay a debt to himself on behalf of humanity. He could have accomplished the very same thing by simply saying "you're all off the hook." The flair for the (gruesomely) dramatic made for a bit of drama (and a very graphic film by Mel Gibson) but was unnecessary.
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

  by Simon in

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  uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

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  I can't see his improv career going anywhere. He was getting used to doing TV interviews and rubbing elbows with people outside of the exJW pond. Now he is doing amateur night in a bar in Croatia, with a crowd that doesn't care that he's a sex-addled cult escapee. If he cannot find the energy to make content for people who practically worship him, he definitely doesn't want to keep going on stage and being ignored.
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  Lloyd Evans Patreoff Pool - October 2023

  by DerekMoors in

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  it's not too early to place your bets for how many patrons his royal thighness will lose in october.

  as of this writing, his tally stands at 457. so, where do you think he'll be on october 2?

  lucky number 420?

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  It's a strange month because of the bump he got mid-month. 458 to 435 would be a loss of 23, which wouldn't be shocking given how things have been going. 478 to 435 is a loss of 53. But with the recent content being mostly him crying into his beer (Oktoberfest!), I'm wondering if the slide will continue into the first week or two of this month.
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

  by Simon in

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  uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

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  MillennialDawn: He’s an especially gifted liar.

  The most effective liars are the ones who are convinced that they are being honest. Not about every detail, but about the overarching narrative. I think Evans can lie convincingly because he is certain that he is a good person and a good family man. He is certain that he didn't do anything too terrible, and that he made amends. Thus, he is also certain that he is being unfairly persecuted by people jealous of him.

  Any lies he tells are in service of what he believes is true, and so he can lie without guilt or remorse. When he lies to his supporters, it's not like he's really lying- they just need to understand what is going on. When he lies to his family, it's not like he's really lying- they're being unfair and he's just fighting fire with fire. When he lies to everyone else, it's not really lying- and besides, the public doesn't need to know any of this stuff, so what difference does it make?

  The most effective liars lie to themselves the most.
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  Cult or High Control Group?

  by MillennialDawn in

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  i see this phrase a lot: "the indication of a cult is what happens when you leave.

  " i'm not sure where that originated, but it is a faulty categorization.

  "cult" is almost always used in a derogatory way.

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  It is true that they do not promote the adulation of one individual human leader, but they hold up the group (the governing body) as the conduit through which Jehovah leads his people, by virtue of his holy spirit. The rank and file are expected to treat the words that come from the group as if they are from god. And this holds even if they make doctrinal changes later on, which can invalidate previous expressions.

  I agree that they are high-control, but they do seem to have features that remind people of cults.
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

  by Simon in

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  uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

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  So, Evans filed his criminal lawsuit against seven defendants...

  ...and the judge told him to try again, and get it right the next time...

  ...and there was no next time.
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

  by Simon in

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  uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

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  So the filings for his lawsuits were released?
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

  by Simon in

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  uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

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  Fewer Patreon dollars equals fewer "dates."
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

  by Simon in

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  uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

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  Thisismein1972: was forced out, hence the branch rep being at his judicial, and Lloyd trying to blackmail him.

  I don't believe that the meeting went anything like he described. It's a nice story for his supporters and a way to promote himself as a big shot to them. And I'm even willing to believe that he tried to threaten to destroy the WTS presence in Croatia, though I don't think he's that delusional. He would not want to risk having them laugh in his face. He certainly had to know that they wouldn't be concerned in the least with his threats to take down the org in a place where he didn't speak the language, didn't know many people, and was probably already disliked in his own home.