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  Governing body

  by moley in

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  are the governing body really in charge or are they just a figurehead with the real power being behind the curtain .

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  The WTS is a chameleon. I think they misunderstood Paul at 1 Corinthians 9:20-22.
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  JWLITE

  by Teddnzo in

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  even elders can be part of the new jw lite brigade these days.

  they don’t need to go on door to door anymore and there is no requirement for anything really.. taking meeting parts is all dead easy you could turn up on the day with zero preparation because it’s all in the meeting workbook.. quarterly elders meetings are just old men having a good old natter just like old men do down the pub.. congregations could be likened to pubs or bars these days just without the drinks, those come at other times.. no need for territory maps, these almost went away with covid letter writing now they are extremely slow getting finished as those who still go door to door only do ten mins.. you could even voice your questions these days about things the gb say and then just say “we can’t be dogmatic we just don’t know”.

  i predict they will say this about 1914 soon..

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  Quiet quitting is just another way of saying fading, isn't it?
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

  by Simon in

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  uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

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  Teddnzo: So could someone really take someone else to court if they said something not nice about someone else?

  It depends on the legal system in any particular country. But it's also a bit more complicated than that.

  In the USA, you can file a lawsuit for just about anything. But there are usually certain requirements that must be met in order for the court to agree to hear the case. If you don't meet the requirements, the case is likely to be dismissed before it gets to trial. In some cases, it can be dismissed with prejudice, in which case it cannot be filed again. The US tries to walk a line between giving people the freedom to use the legal system while also trying to prevent abuse of it. But most of our lawmakers are lawyers, so...

  The reason Lloyd's suit will be dismissed is because it is a criminal suit and there have been no crimes committed, much less committed on Croatian soil. I think he either saw it as a useful publicity stunt (which has gone horrendously wrong for him) or was driven by such anger that he reacted foolishly and was too proud to rescind the action (which has also gone wrong). Should be decide to ignore the lesson and file civil suits, those will go just as badly. The bright side would be that the more he drags the whole thing out, the more opportunities there are to watch him step on rakes.
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  Can ANY JW provide Bible proof?

  by BoogerMan in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  hitchins razor - "what can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence.

  which bible verse/s conclusively prove the following claims?.

  w16 november p. 30 par.

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  Their approach is not an uncommon one: select a bunch of isolated verses and apply an interpretation. It looks impressive at first glance, until people begin to read the contextual verses and find discrepancies. If you are the WTS, you warn them that they are slipping into apostate territory and that maybe they need to stop.
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

  by Simon in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

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  LMsA: I think the judge should see this.

  I suppose the defendants can file documents of their own, but as slimboyfat said, it's unnecessary. And that is what Lloyd is counting on. He knows he will never have to deal with the suit in an actual courtroom. He won't have to deal with discovery requests (although...). He won't have to face cross examination. He won't have to see others -including his wife- face cross examination. He is making his case to his patrons, not to the court. And since it will be dismissed, he can stick to his narrative.

  Of course, that won't go well either. Once the case ends, the real trial can begin. The seven have been gifted with page after page of evidence content. Maybe there will be videos carefully reviewing all of the claims and discussing why those claims were made. Maybe have a lawyer browse the evidence and point out what a mess it all was. Have them explain why the case was doomed from the start. Make in-depth videos explaining the timeline of Evans's bad decisions over the previous two or three years. What can he do? How can he claim vindication when the humiliation has gotten worse?

  That video. Tsk, tsk. Shouldn't have made that video...
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  Is AI going to change the world?

  by Reasonfirst in

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  had lunch with a friend, whose a lecturer in the accounting dept.

  of one of australia's best universities.

  he told me he expects to lose his job at some point in the next 5 years, as the accounting dept, will disappear, as all accounting will be done by ai programs, so why teach it.. if his fears are correct, that means that any profession that involves the mind, may one day face the same future.

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  Criminals will usually be the first to exploit new technologies. And with so much cybercrime happening, I suspect that they might even drive the development of AI. Probably not a good thing...
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  Will the GB Eventually "observe" Tithing?

  by Sea Breeze in

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  found this on fb from the recent losch talk.

  time for a new business model?.

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  You can see what the excuse will be if they ever implement such a system- it is the fault of the rank and file, for not giving enough when they had the chance. It is also, indirectly, Jehovah's fault, for expecting his followers to pony up cash instead of providing for them himself. It is the perfection of narcissism: praise us for all of the good things, but the bad things are someone else's fault.
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

  by Simon in

  1. jw
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  uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

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  Diogenesister: So did he pay 'eyewatering' sums? I doubt it.

  Yeah, it is hard to know for sure, because he can't be trusted to give an accurate account of anything. But we have to remember that he doesn't care if the claims are reasonable or actionable. It's a show for the remaining supporters. So long as they believe that there is a chance that he will be vindicated, he will be able to milk them for donations.

  When the lawsuit finally ends, so does Lloyd. Unless he makes the big time as a musician and comedian.
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

  by Simon in

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  uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

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  I figure we'll see them eventually. No doubt the seven will want to make them public for the entertainment and vindication value.
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

  by Simon in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

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  Diogenesister: May I ask what the reasoning is for not making his submissions public?

  He probably wants to avoid embarrassment.

  Hey, maybe he can offer the seven an NDA. Their price for silence? Between 3,000 and 8,000 euro!