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  2024 when will Witnesses admit they are wrong???

  by Witness 007 in

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  2. experiences

  1914 generation is long gone.

  1975 was a joke 40 years ago.

  i know of many witnesses still hanging on for armagedon but when will they give up?

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  I'm curious if they will ever try to face their past. Very little of what Russell taught is accepted today, and some of it sounds insane (using the dimensions of pyramids, or distances on a map, to set time frames). Rutherford did his best to top him, with his 1925 predictions and the 'millions now living will never die' campaign, among other things. The internet has made many of their writings available, and has allowed the dissemination of unflattering stories about them.

  At what point does the past become an albatross that they can no longer ignore? And, if they are forced to come to terms with it, what can they do? Could they survive going mainstream?
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  The Next Big Thing In WT World

  by NotFormer in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  things got a bit lively after the agm leaks in october.

  there was a lot of discussion going on on this board for a few months.

  now that all the leaks have been more or less confirmed as policy, and we've had lively discussions at length concerning the changes, things seem to have slowed down here.. a few suggestions have been raised as to what might be the next changes, such as women being allowed to wear slacks (in the usa, anyway), decoupling from 1914 as an anchoring date and others.. so, what changes do you think will be announced this year?.

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  DATA-DOG: because J-dumbs have to be in step with the Borganization…. Not The Bible

  That has always been their approach. They place themselves between Jehovah and everything else, including the Bible. This has been so even back in Russell's day, since he believed that Studies in the Scriptures was a better Bible than the Bible.

  And it obviously went to their heads, because another thing that has carried over from Russell's times is that they just make stuff up and use their authority as the channel of god to force it on the rank and file. Blind, unquestioning obedience has been the most important part of the religion almost from the beginning.
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  "Beast" Memories

  by NotFormer in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i've been crapping on the wt a lot lately, which sometimes seems a bit unfair to me, especially since i was never in, therefore i don't really have a dog in the fight.

  to provide a bit of balance, i'll reminisce about the rampant prophecy speculation going on in mainstream christianity (i refuse to use the wt's pejorative term: "christendom", especially since by definition, they're part of that classification 🙄) in the 70s and 80s.

  to be fair, the churches themselves had been around long enough to realise that end times interpretations are like arseholes, everybody has one.

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  Numerology and 'Biblical Chronology' are birds of a feather.
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

  by Simon in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

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  I figured it's not exact and there is probably a small bit of overlap. I blame Kim.
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

  by Simon in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

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  I was referring to the jump from March to April of 2023. Graphtreon shows 387 patrons in March and 564 in April, an increase of 177 paying supporters. So, you could say that he has had a total of 897 + 177 = 1,074. His current count of 367 implies a total loss of 707 patrons. almost two-thirds of his supporters have decided they do not want to support him any longer.

  Edit to add: just to be clear, I'm not advising that you update your chart. I'm just pointing out that the situation looks worse when we account for the increase he got in April. He's on track to post a loss of 20-40 patrons in a year's time, which wouldn't be good but wouldn't seem alarming. Then you realize that the number doesn't include the gain (and loss) of 177 additional people. That puts it in a different light.
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  Do or Do not Do

  by peacefulpete in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  " (greece; 4th century bce)

  " (greece; 5th century bce)

  2nd century bce.

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  Those seem like better approaches, as they protect the person following them. The "do unto others" leaves an individual at the mercy of those who do not follow the rule. The two you quoted can be summarized as "be considerate towards others." This is a more practical approach that allows a person to be 'good' while also not letting others take advantage of them unnecessarily.
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  Lloyd Evans Patreoff Pool March 2024

  by DerekMoors in

  1. social
  2. humour

  for those still interested in lloyd's fall from grace, i made up a chart of my own.

  april 2023 is when he put out his "things are bad" tin cup begging video, and he got a small surge to 592 on the 13th of that month.

  i'm also using his all-time peak of 897 from november 2022.. for march, we're gonna say a modest -15, putting him at 352. i'm also curious as to when he might hit 300 and then 200. if he keeps up with an average of -20 every month, he'll be at less than 190 before the end of this year.. happy guessing everyone..

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  I'm going to guess 346. He seems to steadily lose around 20 per month. I figured that those days were past and that the losses would be much more gradual, but he is still losing that many.

  If he picks up the activity and engages with his patrons, he can probably slow the bleeding. But perhaps not, since one of the problems is that he is producing less exJW content and indicating that he wants to take the channel in a different direction. And we know how he will react if his supporters ask him to stay on topic. So the bleeding will continue.
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

  by Simon in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

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  The losses are even greater than that. He gained quite a lot of paying supporters after his first begging video (more than a hundred, if memory serves). If you add those to the 897 and 530 respectively, we may get a better sense of how bad it really has gotten.
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  Where is Tony?

  by Athanasius in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  on february 22, 2023, anthony morris iii was officially removed from the governing body of jehovah's witnesses.

  a few months later it was revealed that the watchtower bought him a house in lumberton, north carolina.. however, and correct me if i am wrong, since leaving the gb nobody has reported seeing tony attending jw meetings or participating in field service.

  in fact nobody has reported seeing him anywhere, not even at a local liquor store.

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  Diogenesister: although I suppose it's possible he could attend via zoom without the publishers necessarily being aware?

  But they are getting suspicious. Just the other day, one brother wondered aloud who "Mony Torris" was.
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  Were JW Celebrities Ever An Asset To The Organisation?

  by NotFormer in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  just wondering if the rich celebrities that occasionally were aligned with the wt gave enough to the 'tower to be a worthwhile presence within the organisation?.

  my gut instinct is: "no".

  i imagine that the jackson family gave a fair bit, but it was obviously never enough to buy michael the right to be held as being in good standing.

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  Elena: What was the trigger warning?

  From https://www.rollingstone.com/feature/michael-jackson-thriller-video-97948/

  "Due to my strong personal convictions, I wish to stress that this film in no way endorses a belief in the occult”