This wouldn't be the first time that they tried to leave a message vague enough that they could walk it back later. It just seems like a pretty important belief, since it would affect the future hopes of people. Maybe the new GB no longer worry about the end coming anytime soon.
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Hailstone message AND everyone will be saved? Questions
by slimboyfat ini’ve not been paying close attention to watchtower developments, but talking to a jw yesterday it occurred to me the society (yes, still use that term - old school) have been sending out mixed messages in recent years.
from what i gather, a few years ago the gb announced that during the great tribulation jws would be required to preach a “hailstone message of judgement” which involved telling people it was too late for them to repent and they were definitely going to be destroyed.
there were hints that this could be very soon, “any day now” preaching could stop and the hailstone message come in, kind of thing.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)
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JeffT, I was thinking the same. I do think that some of his performances could be described as stomach-churning, so there's that.
LMsA: the closest thing I could do to get into character was to rub my pelvic area
Keep doing that, and you might start receiving texts from
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It's very difficult to keep dipping into my religious experience - a source of profound personal trauma
"...in fact, it's so difficult and traumatic that I made it my fucking profession."
(I know, I know, it's not an actual profession. But we work with what we've got.)
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...churning out content according to my capacity...
Unfortunately for him, his capacity to churn out content is quite low.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)
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DerekMoors: [Regarding Evans's comedy act] The first one is just him babbling about being raised a JW and some experience in school, and his punchline is "I guess I'm allowed to be a bit fucked up by that..."
I was thinking about this when I was fixing the transcript of his livestream. He explained that he is "seriously messed up sexually" by the "repression" he was subjected to as a JW.
But what he describes is what every JW (especially those raised as JWs) faced. Not only that, but he says he got around those restrictions and skirted the rules as much as he could. In TRA, he writes about how he got away with sexting girls at least once.
His claim that he is messed up due to sexual repression rings hollow, especially since he doesn't extend this courtesy to any other JW. Does he sound like someone who is concerned over his wife's mental health? Does he sound like he worries about how she was 'messed up' by JW 'repression'?
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Is it me, or is he holding steady at 523 total members? I wonder if people are still subbed to his page, but no longer paying. Like a probationary thing.
Or maybe there is a trickle of new people joining for free to replace the steady trickle of losses during the month. I'm curious how that number will change in a day or two.
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Dates and times
by jhine inlast night at my bible study group we looked at 1thessalonians ch 5 .
we have been working through the whole letter.
verses 1-11 start with .
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I think that's accurate. Fear is an effective means of control. Someone who is having doubts might decide to stay in, if only because they fear that they will leave just before the end and lose out.
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Chinapomo: Sure it might be interesting from an historical perspective
That could make for an interesting video series. Comparing the information he had when growing up a JW to the content they offer today. My Book of Bible Stories, then and now, sounds like a good starting point.
The problem, as ever, is that it would require time and effort to produce. Reading and reviewing the content. Finding points of comparison. Finding something interesting to say about it. He cannot be bothered. There's no one else to do the work that he used to take the credit for.
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Dates and times
by jhine inlast night at my bible study group we looked at 1thessalonians ch 5 .
we have been working through the whole letter.
verses 1-11 start with .
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There seems to be a subset of people who need to know the date and time, even though the Bible made it clear that this could not be known. It's one of those things that isn't even ambiguous, Jesus says no one knows the day or hour. The thought behind it is also pretty clear- always live a life that god will approve of, don't wait until the time is close to try and score enough points to earn salvation at the last minute.
But almost since the time those words were written, people have tried to figure out when the world will end. I don't think there is a number left in the Bible that has not been applied in some odd formula that, almost always, results in a date not far from when the 'researcher' is living in. It feels good to be the one who gets to see these things happen. It feels meaningful. "I was there when it happened" would be special.
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New approach to ministry
by Mikejw inthere is a new approach to ministry where the direction is to just talk to people and listen to what they want to talk about.
the new school for the midweek meeting is completely different and is all about the new approach .
even before the no reporting changes field service dropped right off.
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Jan, that conversation would end quickly. We were taught to avoid anything that wasn't part of the sales pitch. To accept questions was to risk 'being stumbled' and led down a path that could end with being disfellowshipped. I recall preaching with an elder one time, and we approached this man to start a conversation. Well, he quickly turned it back on us by offering his own testimony, and the elder quickly said "that's fine! bye!" and we were heading the other way right quick!
I remember that he mumbled under his breath that he did not need to hear the witness of demons. To him, the man's attempt to do the very same thing we were doing was demonic!