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  JW s were here today with convention invite

  by enoughisenough in

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  i thought i would tell this story: 2 gals and a guy came by with invitation to convention.

  i am in the yard.

  the gals get out and are wearing pants.

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  enoughisenough: some of the questions I ask them, they ask me back

  We were taught to always have control of the conversation. It had to be a one-way thing. It's okay for them to preach to you, but they really fear that someone will preach back to them. I will give them this much, they seemed earnest enough to stick around until the brother came along to save them (lol). He sounds like he was more aware of the approach-- if things aren't going according to script, get out of there ASAP.

  I am also hopeful that there was enough of a seed planted that they won't be able to resist looking up more info. Or even to ask an uncomfortable question or two. I think some JWs wake up when they ask a reasonable question and are shot down with implied threats of sanctions or removal.
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  What is that?

  by Achille in

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  "What is that?"

  I believe it's called a 'happy ending.'
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  JW s were here today with convention invite

  by enoughisenough in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i thought i would tell this story: 2 gals and a guy came by with invitation to convention.

  i am in the yard.

  the gals get out and are wearing pants.

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  I wonder if they were annoyed that you set them up with leading questions, or if they recognized that this is their own approach to preaching. That always felt a bit like selling snake oil. Maybe they felt a bit uncomfortable at the next stop. Probably not, but maybe...
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  Deep study

  by road to nowhere in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  wifes friend had to go home to deep study the sunday article.

  does that mean not skimming headings?

  the last deep thing i remember was babylon book and it was a perfect fit except none of it came true.

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  For JWs, there is onlly one type of study, which involves reading and accepting the content from the WTS. What would "deep study" entail? Reading it twice? Reading it slowly?
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  An EASY question for JW's to start with!

  by BoogerMan in

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  (acts 9:15, 16) but the lord said to him: “go!

  (see acts 11:26).

  (acts 5:40) .

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  as soon as the 1,000 years have ended, Satan will be released from his prison, and he will go out to mislead those nations in the four corners of the earth

  What nations? Wouldn't the Earth be under the unified rule of god at that point?
  
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  Because it's possible

  by Gorb in

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  in holland we say "not because it is requierd, but because it's possible.

  before we shaved, and now we let it grow.

  pinky ring, too!.

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  I wonder if there are any rank-and-file who get the impression that they are allowing beards because some of the GB wanted a beard.
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  Jehovah's Witnesses - summary critique

  by aqwsed12345 in

  1. watchtower
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  since 1931, they have called themselves jehovah’s witnesses.

  founded in 1879 by charles taze russell (1852-1916).

  jw’s publisher is the watchtower bible and tract society, and their publications include "the watchtower" and "awake!

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  Vienne asked for original sources, and you offer... an anonymous comment to a question asked anonymously on a random website?
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  Kingdom hall cleaning

  by Farmer Jim1 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  what are your memories of hall cleaning?.

  i actually enjoyed it on the whole, my dad as the elder always tried to keep it to under one hour but in my later years in a hard-line congregation it was a chore.

  the po's wife had a printed list and we had to complete it all before left (or got disapproving looks if we left after an hour).. as well as vacuuming the whole building the lost said you had to dismantle the vacuum and clean and polish all the internal elements.

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  Are you of the opinion that Jesus sacrifice can’t cover a sinner like Lloyd Evans?

  Even a god can only do so much.
  
  
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  Who Are the "Other Sheep" and Jesus "Brothers" ?

  by Sea Breeze in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  watchtower plays lots of games with definitions.

  once they change a definition then they have a false assumption to build their deception on.

  then they repeat the new definition and use its new meaning thousands of times to reinforce it.

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  The WTS uses the 'second prophetic fulfillment' concept to build new doctrines. That way, even if you read the original text and see the obvious conclusion (for example, that the 'other sheep' referred to non-Israelites), they can add an additional interpretation that applies to the present day (that the 'other sheep' refer to a non-heavenly hope). If we point out that this is not the original meaning, they will say that they are not challenging that interpretation; they have received divine guidance towards a second, modern fulfillment.

  They did this with the "generation" teaching. It's nonsense on stilts, once you step back and see it without the cult blinders. But it is effective on those who are still in, because it doesn't mess with the original (and often clear) explanation. It adds a completely new one.
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  My guess for August WatchTower: GB claims we're in beginning stages of Great Tribulation due to World governments turning on JW's

  by WingCommander in

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  the september watchtower has already been released and is being discussed over on reddit.

  some highlights: .

  1. more hitting the flock on total reliance and obedience to god's representatives on earth today, the f&ds (the governing body, of course).

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  I wonder if the younger GB members are cringing at this messaging. They are the ones who will have to deal with the fallout when there is no GT and the world keeps going on as usual. There will be so much for them and any new recruits to clean up once the old guard has finally moved on.

  But I hope they are not trying to imply that the CSA allegations, lawsuits, and investigations are a sign of the end. That could go very badly for them if they lose any high-profile cases or if more mainstream attention is given to the investigations. Your average JW knows only what the organization is telling them. And that message is probably still something like "JWs do not tolerate CSA or abusers. Although such cases may occur, the organization does everything in its power to protect children and remove abusers, unlike so many false churches." The further that their message gets from what is being reported, the tougher it will be on the rank-and-file to ignore it.