Posts by TonusOH

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Armageddon 50th Anniversary

by apostrate in

well, it's been 50 years since armageddon occurred.. seems to me that things haven't really changed all that much.

is it just me or does anyone else seem to think that things have actually got worse??

?.

TonusOH

Point this out to a JW, and they will probably tell you that Jehovah is patient and that one thousand years is like a day to him, and a day is like one thousand years.

Then, ask them if "very soon now" means 50 years. Or one thousand. Or anything at all.

Ask them: if the end might not be for another thousand years, why the urgency?

You probably will not get them to understand the problem with saying "very soon now" for a hundred years. At least not right away. Maybe they will understand it... very soon now.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

by Simon in

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uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

TonusOH

I guess his patrons didn't choose a video for May.

Or June.

Or... July?

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BOOK STUDY OR BIBLE STUDY?

by blondie in

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*** km 9/76 p. 8 question box ***.

might a discussion using the bible alone be reported as a study?

(…) but at times persons are unwilling to use any literature other than the bible.

The WTS has always made it clear that only the GB can interpret scripture. JWs are encouraged to read the Bible, not to study it. At least, not without the WTS publications on hand, so they get the 'correct' interpretation.

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WAR begins.

by lastmanstanding in

things are moving right along.

“israel” has gone to war with iran.. who is fooled?.

this is uncle sam, same as in ukraine.. daniel layed out clearly the events of “d day” june 6, 1944 as the “ships of kittim” would sail against the king of the north.

TonusOH

Journeyman: if you don't want to set yourself up for a lot of mess in the longer term.

Sadly, we're at least ~120 years too late for that. The west has been meddling in the Mideast for more than a century, and the bad feelings run very deep. Many of the religious theocracies in the Mideast would happily do massive damage to the nations of the west if they had the resources to do so, and if they didn't realize that the retaliation would be overwhelming.

But the situation is what it is, and a nuclear Iran is a catastrophe waiting to happen. I agree that the President shouldn't be able to authorize strikes like this, but that is another ship that has long since sailed (and, while it is theoretically possible to fix this, there is no political will to do so here). My hope is that it ends without a larger conflict forming in the short term. The Ayatollah's government made enough enemies of its neighbors that I don't think anyone will be willing to stick their necks out for Iran.

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The Coming Global Salvation - (Not Universalism)

by Sea Breeze in

the overwhelming majority of the early church leaders (fathers) were premillennial and believed in a literal 1000 yr. kingdom.

today, 2/3 of christians are amillennial.

i do not want to imply that amilennialists, are not christian.

TonusOH

I think the biggest problem the WTS has with the separation of people into heavenly/earthly 'classes' is that there is no way to determine who has received the heavenly calling aside from "trust me." The issue became quite clear as the number of participants first stabilized, then started to increase. Today, it is more than 20,000. They may try to dismiss it as mental illness, but that means that a very large number of mentally sick people are partaking of the wine and crackers each year. The other option is that there is a large number of JWs who are deliberately partaking when they know they are not among the chosen. That's not a good look.

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WAR begins.

by lastmanstanding in

things are moving right along.

“israel” has gone to war with iran.. who is fooled?.

this is uncle sam, same as in ukraine.. daniel layed out clearly the events of “d day” june 6, 1944 as the “ships of kittim” would sail against the king of the north.

TonusOH

LMsA: If I were Iran I’d be running to Trump right now and begging for a deal.

It looks like they've been doing that almost from the beginning. Trump has made the terms pretty clear: abandon all nuke development. I think he is also inclined to let Israel do whatever it can to help overthrow the Iranian government. The pressing question remains whether the US will take any direct action, and what that will lead to.

As for Israel, they must see this as a very rare --and perhaps their only-- opportunity to reshape the Mideast more to their liking. Trump hasn't just given them the green light to act, he's moving ships and planes to the area and making loud noises on social media. I figure he is doing this to warn off anyone else from interfering until Israel gets what it wants.

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Know it’s not true but stay anyway

by Elena in

how many of the millions of jws know it’s not true but stay anyway?.

my guess is most jws know it’s not true on a subconscious level to an extent but they don’t want to think about it too much and would never ever voice it out loud.. but this is probably true with all religions around the world?.

TonusOH

Elena: What if you decide not to do any heavy lifting?

If you decide to stay in because you don't want to deal with the fallout from admitting that you do not believe, then do what you must. But don't call it agnostic. You're not staying in because you're not sure who has the truth. You're staying in because the organization has put you in a difficult spot, which is the way they operate. It isn't because you're not sure you believe. It's because you fear the consequences of leaving.

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Reddit thread on convention video urging cutting off contact with Faders

by LongHairGal in

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i just read this.

don’t know if anybody here has seen the video.. the intended result of this is to obviously scare ‘faders’ out of the shadows.

now, they are being threatened with loss of association with their loved ones and friends.

TonusOH

Mikejw: You just go because it’s a nice social club.

Anyone who believes this way has never been outside of the JW bubble. It's a social club where suspicion is the most prevalent feeling. Not warmth, not camaraderie. You know that the people around you --who are treating you like best friends and closest family-- will do a complete 180 and turn their backs on you ("for your own good") the moment they learn that you're not 100% loyal.

It's only like a social club if your idea of a social club is a prison. It doesn't matter how nice the people are and how long you've been friends. They're keeping an eye on you, and won't hesitate to turn on you. Stay in if you want to or have to, but don't lie to yourself that it's anything like a nice social club.

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Applying the facial hair change in New Order portrayals

by careful in

i have a hard time watching the org's vids and reading the publications.

however, that's not the case with others here.

hence this post.

TonusOH

They seem to be leaning into the idea of short, sparse beards. I don't think they'll be taking many pictures of JW men in the Midwest or southern USA.

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Video: I Am Not An Apostate . . . I Had The Courage To Think For Myself (By Exjw Danny)

by AbaddonProvesIt in

i had the courage to think for myself!

they’ll call us apostates.

but really, we just had the courage to think for ourselves.

TonusOH

For JWs, the important thing is not that the GB had something right or wrong. The important thing is that they accepted whatever was being told to them and did not challenge it, even if they did not agree with it. They must accept that Jehovah will frequently mislead his people by giving the GB the wrong information or knowledge.

If you come to the perfectly reasonable conclusion that a group of men who have to constantly correct themselves may not be getting their information direct from God... you are an apostate. An opposer. An enemy. You are the one type of person they cannot allow in their community, and you must be removed before you can spread your dangerous ideas.