Posts by Solaris11

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Steven Unthank and his work.

by WHATSGOINGON in

hi everyone, .

i have been trying really hard to find the court case transcript where steven unthank was in court in australia and one of the wt lawyers or a wt spokesperson said the faithful and discreet slave does not exist.. i hope that this is correct i remember reading about this a long while back and would love to get evidence of this.. i found steven on facebook and messaged him about 6 months ago and he didn't respond, he probably wants to let all this go, and i don't blame him for that.. any suggestions would be very much appreciated.. thanks wgo..

Solaris11

Well, I've spent about as long as It seems wrong that court proceedings or any public enquiry should be suppressed or not at least be made freely available so we can see for ourselves how it transpired without having a cost...making access prohibitive.

Kudos to you for making an effort to do some research!! :-)

Please note that in 90% of cases the Judgement and Summary are not suppressed and are available on AustLII at no cost. It is very unusual for any court case to not appear in the AustLII site. Almost all criminal and civil court cases are published there.

The tribunals related to Steven Unthank v. Watchtower that appear on AustLII were classified "Dismissed" - VCAT tribunal hearings VCAT 1421 and VCAT 1810 If you take time to read the applications and have any basic understanding of law, you will see why it was dismissed due to lack of evidence. The application was nonsensical from a legal stand point, and poorly constructed.

In regards to his court case (which is different than the above tribunals), there is no evidence published on AustLII or the Vic Magistrates Court website, that the case ever happened. So to verify if there was a case, it costs about $20 to obtain the court extract file.

The file is a public sharable document, which will advise whether or not there was a hearing and if there was, the outcome of the case. If there was no case it will be marked Discontinued or similar.

Note: The judgment, not the transcripts, is the key document because it verifies whether or not there was a case or hearing.

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Steven Unthank and his work.

by WHATSGOINGON in

hi everyone, .

i have been trying really hard to find the court case transcript where steven unthank was in court in australia and one of the wt lawyers or a wt spokesperson said the faithful and discreet slave does not exist.. i hope that this is correct i remember reading about this a long while back and would love to get evidence of this.. i found steven on facebook and messaged him about 6 months ago and he didn't respond, he probably wants to let all this go, and i don't blame him for that.. any suggestions would be very much appreciated.. thanks wgo..

Solaris11

I never went into this post assuming anyone was lying or not a straight shooter. But there is a massive difference between telling someone what their opinion should be and asking someone to investigate the hard evidence and come to their own opinion.

The former is controlling behaviour and the latter is not. Being given the option to form an opinion based on solid research is not evidence of an "ulterior motive." Again that line of thinking is promoted by Watchtower apologists to prevent an open minded consideration of the facts.

I'm not telling anyone what to think about Steven's case, I am simply showing those who want to know, how to investigate the legal evidence.

The reason why I posted here, is because I have done thorough research on this forum archive and I've researched all of Steven Unthank's documents on saysorry.org and jwleaks pertaining to his court claims - all of them. My research has shown me that not one of Steven's published documents contain any evidence supporting his claims around the two VCAT hearings and the Watchtower court case.

When it comes to make massive claims around legal proceedings sincere research would start with the registrar of the courts seeking the court judgments - not a blog, forum or someone's opinion. The point is the publicly available court files (judgements) have never been published anywhere. These public records are available with every single court case in Australia, but in Steven's case they have never been shared by Steven. Why not? Those who have zero knowledge of how the legal system in Australia works simply don't realise that this is highly unusual, as these are not confidential documents and would enable anyone to be able to verify his claims.

There is a conspiracy theory being promoted that Steven's records have been sealed by the court or that they cannot be published for legal reasons. This is nonsense, because the court judgements are publicly available records.

Again all I am offering to people is the quickest way to investigate the hard evidence about Steven's court case claims so that they can base their opinion on the legal facts rather than hearsay.

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Steven Unthank and his work.

by WHATSGOINGON in

hi everyone, .

i have been trying really hard to find the court case transcript where steven unthank was in court in australia and one of the wt lawyers or a wt spokesperson said the faithful and discreet slave does not exist.. i hope that this is correct i remember reading about this a long while back and would love to get evidence of this.. i found steven on facebook and messaged him about 6 months ago and he didn't respond, he probably wants to let all this go, and i don't blame him for that.. any suggestions would be very much appreciated.. thanks wgo..

Solaris11

:-) Accusing me of being a JW is a tactic cult apologists use - making false accusations as a distraction.

The point is, anyone with critical thinking abilities is not going to be willing to accept the word of individuals online we've never met. Smiddy and co may be the most wonderful people in the world but their word isn't evidence if I don't know them.

Steven has made huge claims pertaining to his court case and everyone who has used independent thinking and started asking incisive questions about the case is shouted down. That is exactly what the Watchtower did to us.

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Steven Unthank and his work.

by WHATSGOINGON in

hi everyone, .

i have been trying really hard to find the court case transcript where steven unthank was in court in australia and one of the wt lawyers or a wt spokesperson said the faithful and discreet slave does not exist.. i hope that this is correct i remember reading about this a long while back and would love to get evidence of this.. i found steven on facebook and messaged him about 6 months ago and he didn't respond, he probably wants to let all this go, and i don't blame him for that.. any suggestions would be very much appreciated.. thanks wgo..

Solaris11

So for those of you with critical thinking skills who want to know the truth as to whether or not Steven Unthank took Watchtower to court...

...all you need do is request the court document from the Magistrates Court which is a very simple, very inexpensive process explained in my post here

If you listen to the podcast interview, S06E17 How the Faithful and Discreet Slave were killed, you learn that Steven Unthank makes the following claims:

Timeline points:
26:27 Louise (podcast host) mentions the exchange between Steven and Watchtower lawyer during court case. Steven confirms this happened.
29:33 "During the hearing it was announced in a statement by Watchtower lawyer...the faithful and discreet slave class are a theological arrangement."
30:45 Steven confirms that JWs present during the court hearing in the court room were shocked and gasped.
31:52 Steven claims his court case caused the end of the Faith and Discreet Slave Class.
34:26 - 35:15 Louise states Steven Unthank took Watchtower to court for criminal offences and Steven then confirms the court case happened by saying "That's correct".
38:35 "Then I took them to court. They (Watchtower) presented arguments...."
39:14 "So I took the Watchtower Society to court. I took the entire body of elders to court."

So here's the point ... if the court document you receive states the court case was 'Discontinued' then you can be 100% certain that the above claims and the claimed exchange between Steven Unthank, the judge, the Watchtower solicitor, the JWs in the court room could never have happened.

So many of you out there want to know the truth about this which is why I am taking the time to post this information. It's a very easy inexpensive process to find out the truth about this matter by following the procedure outlined in my post here.

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Steven Unthank and his work.

by WHATSGOINGON in

hi everyone, .

i have been trying really hard to find the court case transcript where steven unthank was in court in australia and one of the wt lawyers or a wt spokesperson said the faithful and discreet slave does not exist.. i hope that this is correct i remember reading about this a long while back and would love to get evidence of this.. i found steven on facebook and messaged him about 6 months ago and he didn't respond, he probably wants to let all this go, and i don't blame him for that.. any suggestions would be very much appreciated.. thanks wgo..

Solaris11

If what you're saying is true, then why haven't the court files ever been published/shared by Steven? Why is it when people ask for them they are either ignored or vilified for "daring to ask for evidence"? People shouldn't be shouted down for simply asking for evidence. That is exactly what the Watchtower did to us.

The court files are public records available to those who attend the hearing and anyone who didn't attend can request them from the court registrar. The files are available so that anyone can verify for themselves that the court case occurred and what the final judgement was.

So for those who want to verify whether or not Steven did actually take Watchtower to court then they can email the Victorian Magistrate's Court (Latrobe) in Australia and ask for the Court Judgement for Steven Unthank. This quick and inexpensive procedure is outlined in my previous posts.

A motto exJWs should live by is - always check the facts and do independent research. That is all I am encouraging here.

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Steven Unthank and his work.

by WHATSGOINGON in

hi everyone, .

i have been trying really hard to find the court case transcript where steven unthank was in court in australia and one of the wt lawyers or a wt spokesperson said the faithful and discreet slave does not exist.. i hope that this is correct i remember reading about this a long while back and would love to get evidence of this.. i found steven on facebook and messaged him about 6 months ago and he didn't respond, he probably wants to let all this go, and i don't blame him for that.. any suggestions would be very much appreciated.. thanks wgo..

Solaris11

My posts are for those people who have been asking this same question for a very long time, being "What evidence is there that Steven Unthank took Watchtower to court?" Many out there have wanted to know the answer for years, and I think it's a fair and reasonable question in light of the fact that no evidence has been published to verify the claims.

Just for the record, I personally have never read that Steven Unthank was involved in "an official meeting of some sort". But I do know he publicly stated that he "took Watchtower to court".

So for those who want to verify whether or not he took Watchtower to court then there is a simple and accurate method: Simply email the Victorian Magistrate's Court (Latrobe) in Australia and ask for the Court Judgement for Steven Unthank. This inexpensive procedure is outlined in my previous posts.

I am simply showing people how to verify the facts and determine once and for all whether or not Steven did actually take Watchtower to court.

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Steven Unthank and his work.

by WHATSGOINGON in

hi everyone, .

i have been trying really hard to find the court case transcript where steven unthank was in court in australia and one of the wt lawyers or a wt spokesperson said the faithful and discreet slave does not exist.. i hope that this is correct i remember reading about this a long while back and would love to get evidence of this.. i found steven on facebook and messaged him about 6 months ago and he didn't respond, he probably wants to let all this go, and i don't blame him for that.. any suggestions would be very much appreciated.. thanks wgo..

Solaris11

All I am suggesting is for those who want to know if Steven Unthank really took Watchtower to court as he claims then following this simple procedure...

Simply email the Victorian Magistrate's Court (Latrobe) in Australia and ask for the Court Judgement. Send your email to -- [email protected]

Note: you do not need to quote a case number, you only need to write this:

Hello - I would like to request a record search for any Court Judgement involving the name "Steven Unthank".

Again, using his full name as the reference will suffice.

The court will reply within about 2-3 days to advise that there is a 'court extract' available and it will cost you a small fee to obtain it. This extract will confirm once and for all whether there actually was a court case or if it was dismissed. The Court Judgement is a public document which you can share with anyone else and/or post online.

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Steven Unthank and his work.

by WHATSGOINGON in

hi everyone, .

i have been trying really hard to find the court case transcript where steven unthank was in court in australia and one of the wt lawyers or a wt spokesperson said the faithful and discreet slave does not exist.. i hope that this is correct i remember reading about this a long while back and would love to get evidence of this.. i found steven on facebook and messaged him about 6 months ago and he didn't respond, he probably wants to let all this go, and i don't blame him for that.. any suggestions would be very much appreciated.. thanks wgo..

Solaris11

@dubstepped how do you know if I am misdirecting or not? Easy, let's simply look at the facts...

Steven Unthank claims to have taken Watchtower to court, the problem is no one seems to be able to find any evidence to support this claim. If you listen to the podcast interview, S06E17 How the Faithful and Discreet Slave were killed, you will notice that in the interview Steven Unthank confirms the court case occurred and gives a blow-by-blow description of the exchange between the judge, the Watchtower solicitor, the JWs present.

Here are the relevant timeline points:
26:27 Louise (podcast host) mentions the exchange between Steven and Watchtower lawyer during court case. Steven confirms this happened.
29:33 "During the hearing it was announced in a statement by Watchtower lawyer...the faithful and discreet slave class are a theological arrangement."
30:45 Steven confirms that JWs present during the court hearing in the court room were shocked and gasped.
31:52 Steven claims his court case caused the end of the Faith and Discreet Slave Class.
34:26 - 35:15 Louise states Steven Unthank took Watchtower to court for criminal offences and Steven then confirms the court case happened by saying "That's correct".
38:35 "Then I took them to court. They (Watchtower) presented arguments...."
39:14 "So I took the Watchtower Society to court. I took the entire body of elders to court."

So the most logical question is, if Steven Unthank actually took Watchtower to court as he claims -- then where is the evidence to prove any of this happened?

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Steven Unthank and his work.

by WHATSGOINGON in

hi everyone, .

i have been trying really hard to find the court case transcript where steven unthank was in court in australia and one of the wt lawyers or a wt spokesperson said the faithful and discreet slave does not exist.. i hope that this is correct i remember reading about this a long while back and would love to get evidence of this.. i found steven on facebook and messaged him about 6 months ago and he didn't respond, he probably wants to let all this go, and i don't blame him for that.. any suggestions would be very much appreciated.. thanks wgo..

Solaris11

Please disregard shepherdless as it would appear that individual is deliberately trying to use misdirection.

The fact is Steven Unthank claimed he "took Watchtower to court." but to date no evidence has been produced to prove this.

So, anyone can find out if Steven Unthank's claim is true by doing the following...

Simply email the Victorian Magistrate's Court (Latrobe) in Australia and ask for the Court Judgement. Send your email to -- [email protected]

Cut and paste the following in your email...

Hello - I would like to request a record search for any Court Judgement involving the name "Steven Unthank".

NOTE: If you call +61 (03) 5116 5222 and ask for the Registrar they will confirm that they can do a search for you by name. You DO NOT need a case number or name of the court case, you only need "Steven Unthank" as your search reference.

The court will respond to your email within about 2-3 days to advise that there is a 'court extract' available. At this stage it's up to you if you would like to purchase the court extract. If you decide to proceed it will cost you a small fee to obtain it.

The court extract you receive will confirm once and for all whether Steven Unthank actually took Watchtower to court as he claims or if it was dismissed and it never happened. The court extract which includes the court judgement is a public document which you can share with anyone else and/or post online :-)

49

Steven Unthank and his work.

by WHATSGOINGON in

hi everyone, .

i have been trying really hard to find the court case transcript where steven unthank was in court in australia and one of the wt lawyers or a wt spokesperson said the faithful and discreet slave does not exist.. i hope that this is correct i remember reading about this a long while back and would love to get evidence of this.. i found steven on facebook and messaged him about 6 months ago and he didn't respond, he probably wants to let all this go, and i don't blame him for that.. any suggestions would be very much appreciated.. thanks wgo..

Solaris11

I know this is a very late response, but I'm going to answer the question posted by WHATSGOINGON as so many others have asked Steven Unthank for evidence and have never received a direct answer or any documentation to certify he actually took Watchtower to court and won as he claims in this JW Community Podcast.

Steven Unthank has uploaded a Charge Sheet - Summons as evidence and many have wrongly assumed this is evidence. But it is not evidence, it is nothing more than an application filed at the court. Which was dismissed.

Again, it's important to understand there is zero evidence published in the public domain that Steven Unthank took Watchtower to court and won. That is a fact! Which is why so many have been asking for evidence.

NOTE: in Australia and without exception, there is ALWAYS a Court Judgement on file to prove whether or not a court case occurred, and anyone who tells you otherwise is simply wrong. The Court Judgment is a public record that anyone can obtain and I explain how to do that below.

For the critical thinkers who want the truth about this...

If anyone wants to cut thru the crap and obtain real evidence, and get closure as to whether or not Steven Unthank actually took Watchtower to court as he claims, then there is a very easy way to find out for yourself.

Simply email the Victorian Magistrate's Court (Latrobe) in Australia and ask for the Court Judgement. Send your email to -- [email protected]

Note: you do not need to quote a case number, you only need to write this:

Hello - I would like to request a record search for any Court Judgement involving the name "Steven Unthank".

The court will reply within about 2-3 days to advise that there is a 'court extract' available and it will cost you a small fee to obtain it. This extract will confirm once and for all whether there actually was a court case or if it was dismissed. The Court Judgement is a public document which you can share with anyone else and/or post online :-)