Posts by jp1692

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My Younger Brother Has Left The Witnesses!! :-D

by pale.emperor in

absolutely thrilled to give you the news that my younger brother, a zealous full-time pioneer has left the witnesses!!.

i haven't seen or spoke to him in a year.

i'd lost all contact with him, no facebook, no mobile number, i didn't even know his address because he'd moved house.

jp1692

Pale Emperor, ok. That's nothing new.

Here's a thread from about 3 years ago analyzing that nonsense from the Watchtower, January 15, 2014, p. 30-31, paragraphs 14 - 16:

Overlapping Generation/GB/Doug Sanderson

Apparently, there are actually now three groups of "anointed" ones:

Those anointed before 1914
Those anointed after 1914, but before the death of the last of those in group #1.
Those anointed after the death of the last person in group #1. (See point #2 above)

There's an interesting chart on the third page of this thread that predates the one Splane is using in the video you linked (I wonder if he plagiarized the one published here?). It even brings up about the fact that the WTBTS isn't sure when Fred Franz was baptized! ... LOL.

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Ever heard of a brother being DFD and just walking away from family support?

by Crazyguy in

just wondering if there ever been a brother that got dfd and then was shunned by his wife and his at home kids and he's just said , if your going to treat me like this screw it and walked away from all his responsibilities as a provider etc?

it must be hard for those that are dfd to continue to support those that shun him?

again anyone hear of such a case?.

jp1692

EU2BaD: I truly believe that if a man continues to support his kids, they will soon see the light and the harmful folly in the wtbts's shunning policy. It may take a while for kids who have been heavily indoctrinated by wtbts sh*t to come around, but I think they will eventually because, in most cases, blood is thicker than wt sh*t!

You are wrong. I wish you were right, but you are not.

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My Younger Brother Has Left The Witnesses!! :-D

by pale.emperor in

absolutely thrilled to give you the news that my younger brother, a zealous full-time pioneer has left the witnesses!!.

i haven't seen or spoke to him in a year.

i'd lost all contact with him, no facebook, no mobile number, i didn't even know his address because he'd moved house.

jp1692

Pale Emperor, this is fantastic news! Good for your brother and good for you. Thank you for sharing.

I was intrigued by your brother's comment: "Now they're saying there's two classes of anointed."

I haven't heard anything about that. Do you know what that is about?

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Going "Hollywood" not helping!

by eyeuse2badub in

going “hollywood” hasn’t seemed to help build any enthusiasm for the wtbts.

think about it, jw’s now have their own studio to make videos and cartoons.

the ‘kingdom’ dirges (songs) have received a makeover to a bit more modern tunes.

jp1692

@Wake Me Up, what was it about the "bunker series" videos that affected you so much? Do you know or was it just a deep emotional reaction? Sometimes, especially when we are in the early stages of losing our religion, we can't always clearly articulate why we feel the way we do.

JP

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What are the chances of getting another Raymond Franz default from head office ?

by Chook in

all regimes get defectors and some are more vocal than others..

jp1692

Recall that Ray's book was titled: Crisis of Conscience. There's a reason for that.

Who on the current GB is likely to even have a conscience?

Certainly not Morris or Herd. Lett is a mindless idiot. Lösch is spineless from all evidence. Not much left to work with.

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2017 International Regional Convention, Toronto – Entertainment at Sony Centre

by SAHS in

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friends

i’ve been hearing from several very reliable sources that there will be an exclusive elite gala entertainment event hosted by the watch tower organization, featuring specially chosen jehovah’s witnesses of outstanding talent as well as spiritual reputation, at the sony centre (formerly called the o’keefe centre) in toronto, ontario (canada) as a special “after hours” addition to the 2017 special international convention.. those chosen have to meet very strict criteria, including, not so much technical and popular talents, but, rather, their spiritual maturity which can be easily and practically related to by the audience (i.e., degree of conformity – you know what i mean!).

a notable and very well-known professional “super star” from some other country (i don’t know which one) who has achieved highly recognized and popular talent was surprisingly not chosen to participate in the extra entertainment program, whereas other performers with rather ho-hum musical abilities ended up being selected, ostensibly for their altruistic and “theocratic” qualities.

(something tells me that there is going to be some jealousy and indignant, hard feelings over this rather authoritarian, arbitrary selection process.

jp1692

LTPF: Watchtower is totally main stream Christians now

No. Main stream Christian religions do not practice institutionalized shunning. JWs are still a cult, but keep hoping!

But I do agree with your last statement ... LOL!

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2017 International Regional Convention, Toronto – Entertainment at Sony Centre

by SAHS in

jw
friends

i’ve been hearing from several very reliable sources that there will be an exclusive elite gala entertainment event hosted by the watch tower organization, featuring specially chosen jehovah’s witnesses of outstanding talent as well as spiritual reputation, at the sony centre (formerly called the o’keefe centre) in toronto, ontario (canada) as a special “after hours” addition to the 2017 special international convention.. those chosen have to meet very strict criteria, including, not so much technical and popular talents, but, rather, their spiritual maturity which can be easily and practically related to by the audience (i.e., degree of conformity – you know what i mean!).

a notable and very well-known professional “super star” from some other country (i don’t know which one) who has achieved highly recognized and popular talent was surprisingly not chosen to participate in the extra entertainment program, whereas other performers with rather ho-hum musical abilities ended up being selected, ostensibly for their altruistic and “theocratic” qualities.

(something tells me that there is going to be some jealousy and indignant, hard feelings over this rather authoritarian, arbitrary selection process.

jp1692

@ 39:39" - Don't Be Cruel ... Oh, the irony.

Back when I was a dub, we were discouraged from putting on local "talent shows" because it demonstrated a lack of humility, and of course: we should be involved in theocratic activities.

So many times the WTBTS forbade the R&F from doing completely normal social things and yet later they end up doing the exact same thing. When WE would do it, it is bad. When THEY do it, it is good.

Fucking hypocrites.

As noted above, except for the hypocrisy, I no longer recognize this religion.

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Who holds the Burden Of Proof?

by stuckinarut2 in

when we as former witnesses wake up and choose to leave the society, it is mainly because we value truth and honesty.. the society tries to make out that we are in the wrong.

that we have "left the truth".. but, who really holds the burden of proof?

do we (who leave) need to prove that the society is not the "truth", or does the society need to prove that it is the "truth".. thoughts?.

jp1692

It is important to keep in mind that doctrines are actually irrelevent for a cult. Although they all have some unique, distinct ideology that is allegedly their rallying point or cause, the point of a cult is to exercise control over their members. This is why cults can and do change specific teachings from time to time and suffer little net loss of members.

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What is behind your choice of forum user name?

by stuckinarut2 in

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just curious how we all think.. what prompted or influenced your choice of username for this forum?.

there are some really amazing names, and it would be great to hear the stories behind them.... mine was nothing fancy.

i just felt "stuck in a rut too" along with so many others.

jp1692

John Proctor is the main character in Arthur Miller's play "The Crucible," a partially fictionalized story of the Salem witch trials that took place in the Massachusetts Bay Colony during 1692/93.

In both the play and in reality, Proctor was falsely accused and convicted of witchcraft. The real John Proctor was hanged in August, 1692.

In my life, I was "hanged" (disfellowshipped as a JW) because I refused to say I believed in something which I did not. And so I thought the jp1692 appellation was appropriate.

My avatar is Daniel Day-Lewis from the 1996 movie version.

Quote: "Because it is my name! Because I cannot have another in my life! Because I lie and sign myself to lies! Because I am not worth the dust on the feet of them you have hanged! How may I live without my name? I have given you my soul; leave me my name!"

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Who holds the Burden Of Proof?

by stuckinarut2 in

when we as former witnesses wake up and choose to leave the society, it is mainly because we value truth and honesty.. the society tries to make out that we are in the wrong.

that we have "left the truth".. but, who really holds the burden of proof?

do we (who leave) need to prove that the society is not the "truth", or does the society need to prove that it is the "truth".. thoughts?.

jp1692

The only person we are obliged to prove anything to is ourself.

That being said, when it comes to discussions such at this I've always been fond of invoking the aphorism popularized by Carl Sagan: “Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.”