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  Hotel California

  by Normalfulla in

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  growing up was ok being a jw or so i thought, i guess u accept life as it comes when yr a kid , anyhow i played guitar and my elder dad (who is currently df) would forbid me to learn hotel california or even if it came on the radio he would run and quickly turn it off , .

  he explained he had heard a tape recording at work that explained that this song along with stairway to heaven and others had back masking on it and when played backwards would say stuff like "satan has his own congregation " or other stuff like that , now this was not a jw sanctioned audio talk just some other christian production .. none of dad's other peers felt the same and growing up it illustrated to me dad's propensity to be influenced and convinced about something seemingly innocuous to others.. fast forward to a year or so ago and i showed him a section from the eagles documentary where don henley talks about the meaning of hotel california and how much trouble christian evangelists gave the song due to their own interpretation etc , so completely refuted the claims my father had told me were fact as a kid ,from the horses mouth so to speak .

  his answer was ,"well of course he'd say that he wants to save face ,he wouldn't admit the truth !".

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  jp1692

  Cult members are, by definition, delusional and paranoid. Indoctrinated mental illnesses are no different than the more organic garden variety, except perhaps that once identified they can be more directly dealt with.
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  Do we attack the Topic or the Person?

  by stuckinarut2 in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i was just thinking that most witnesses can not approach a controversial topic without turning it into an attack of the person who raises that topic.. as we all awaken to ttatt (the truth about the truth), they simply can't discuss the actual facts or issues we discover without turning it into an attack of us as "apostates" with all the negative connotations that word entails.... how truly narrow minded and sad!

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  they would rather attack the person than the topic..

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  jp1692

  This a classic example of the ad hominem fallacy.

  And of course in JW-land anyone that disagrees is labeled an "apostate" so the argument is automatically--and conveniently--over without any critical thinking required. This is Cult 101.
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  New Tool To Help Cult Survivors.  From an EXJW

  by TTaTT4U in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

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  https://bonniezieman.com/2017/05/09/cracking-the-cult-code-for-therapists-what-cult-victims-want-their-therapist-to-know/.

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  This is much needed as many therapists do not understand the very real damage and emotional abuse that we have suffered as a result of being in a cult.

  Many don't even recognize that religions such as JWs are a cult!

  Well done Bonnie!
  
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  Overcoming deeply ingrained false beliefs. (short video)

  by UNCONDITIONAL LOVE in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the jw cult systematically teaches doctrines, which in turn become beliefs, that hinders a persons mental, emotional and spiritual growth.

  here are some great pointers on how to overcome deeply ingrained false beliefs.. .

  1 timothy 4:2. such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron.. https://youtu.be/agywceulbx0.

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  jp1692

  I was interested in this until I read: "Bentinho Massaro's teachings ... contain the essence of all major spiritual paths ..."

  We, as ex-cult members, definitely need to learn to recognize the false and dysfunctional beliefs we have acquired about ourselves and the world, particularly the ones that can cause us great emotional distress: depression, anxiety and even mental disorders. It is a fact that many of these beliefs came to us as a result of being in the Jehovah's Witness religion.

  Core beliefs typically center around themes of:

  • Lovability - worthiness and desirability
    
  • Adequacy - feeling not good enough
    
  • Helplessness - feeling trapped

  In unlearning these beliefs, we need to find positive, healthy beliefs to replace them. But these need to be OUR beliefs, not anyone else's beliefs, and particularly not those of some self-appointed guru. Be your own guru.
  

  Cult survivors are particularly vulnerable to leaving one codependent relationship and ending up in another. It's a lot of work and can be emotionally painful, but it's worth it. There are no short cuts. No quick fixes. No easy answers.
  

  A healthy skepticism is your best friend!
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  Ever heard of a brother being DFD and just walking away from family support?

  by Crazyguy in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  just wondering if there ever been a brother that got dfd and then was shunned by his wife and his at home kids and he's just said , if your going to treat me like this screw it and walked away from all his responsibilities as a provider etc?

  it must be hard for those that are dfd to continue to support those that shun him?

  again anyone hear of such a case?.

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  Playing the "parental alienation syndrome" card it possible, but it is definitely an uphill battle all the way. In the U.S. a judge can force shared and/or joint custody of minor children. But judges can do little or nothing to prevent a parent from alienating their children against another parent. Nothing.

  If the alienating parent is successful, the children will absolutely shun the other parent as soon as they become of age.

  The psychological means of manipulation employed are powerful, generally applied unconsciously (although cult members have learned them well) and not subject to any legal means of prevention, redress or judgement.
  

  Anyone wanting to really understand this should read Richard A. Gardner’s exhaustive book on the subject: The Parental Alienation Syndrome: A Guide for Mental Health and Legal Professionals.

  It's a challenging read, but for those that undertake it, you will clearly understand the power of the psychological forces involved.
  

  A relatively quick primer can be found here: Parental alienation syndrome
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  My Younger Brother Has Left The Witnesses!! :-D

  by pale.emperor in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  absolutely thrilled to give you the news that my younger brother, a zealous full-time pioneer has left the witnesses!!.

  i haven't seen or spoke to him in a year.

  i'd lost all contact with him, no facebook, no mobile number, i didn't even know his address because he'd moved house.

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  Pale Emperor, ok. That's nothing new.

  Here's a thread from about 3 years ago analyzing that nonsense from the Watchtower, January 15, 2014, p. 30-31, paragraphs 14 - 16:

  • Overlapping Generation/GB/Doug Sanderson

  Apparently, there are actually now three groups of "anointed" ones:

  1. Those anointed before 1914
  2. Those anointed after 1914, but before the death of the last of those in group #1.
  3. Those anointed after the death of the last person in group #1. (See point #2 above)

  There's an interesting chart on the third page of this thread that predates the one Splane is using in the video you linked (I wonder if he plagiarized the one published here?). It even brings up about the fact that the WTBTS isn't sure when Fred Franz was baptized! ... LOL.
  
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  Ever heard of a brother being DFD and just walking away from family support?

  by Crazyguy in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  just wondering if there ever been a brother that got dfd and then was shunned by his wife and his at home kids and he's just said , if your going to treat me like this screw it and walked away from all his responsibilities as a provider etc?

  it must be hard for those that are dfd to continue to support those that shun him?

  again anyone hear of such a case?.

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  EU2BaD: I truly believe that if a man continues to support his kids, they will soon see the light and the harmful folly in the wtbts's shunning policy. It may take a while for kids who have been heavily indoctrinated by wtbts sh*t to come around, but I think they will eventually because, in most cases, blood is thicker than wt sh*t!

  You are wrong. I wish you were right, but you are not.
  
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  My Younger Brother Has Left The Witnesses!! :-D

  by pale.emperor in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  absolutely thrilled to give you the news that my younger brother, a zealous full-time pioneer has left the witnesses!!.

  i haven't seen or spoke to him in a year.

  i'd lost all contact with him, no facebook, no mobile number, i didn't even know his address because he'd moved house.

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  Pale Emperor, this is fantastic news! Good for your brother and good for you. Thank you for sharing.

  I was intrigued by your brother's comment: "Now they're saying there's two classes of anointed."

  I haven't heard anything about that. Do you know what that is about?
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  Going "Hollywood" not helping!

  by eyeuse2badub in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  going “hollywood” hasn’t seemed to help build any enthusiasm for the wtbts.

  think about it, jw’s now have their own studio to make videos and cartoons.

  the ‘kingdom’ dirges (songs) have received a makeover to a bit more modern tunes.

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  @Wake Me Up, what was it about the "bunker series" videos that affected you so much? Do you know or was it just a deep emotional reaction? Sometimes, especially when we are in the early stages of losing our religion, we can't always clearly articulate why we feel the way we do.

  JP
  
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  What are the chances of getting another Raymond Franz default from head office ?

  by Chook in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  all regimes get defectors and some are more vocal than others..

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  Recall that Ray's book was titled: Crisis of Conscience. There's a reason for that.

  Who on the current GB is likely to even have a conscience?

  Certainly not Morris or Herd. Lett is a mindless idiot. Lösch is spineless from all evidence. Not much left to work with.