Posts by jp1692

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Did a current or ex-JW help you to awaken?

by TweetieBird in

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was there something that was said to you that got the wheel turning in your brain, that caused you to start waking up to ttatt, either by a jw or ex-jw that you didn't know was awake?

i'm trying to think of things i can say or ask of my current family members still in that may help them to start seeing the real truth about the organization.

they think we're still in..

jp1692

Yes, all the then-current JWs that were controlling, manipulative hypocrites. Stephen Lett was a big factor in my awakening. His convention talks convinced me that there was no way in hell that God was using these idiots for anything.

I'm sure that's NOT the answer you were looking for, but it's the truth. The fact is that most people do not leave a cult because of any particular doctrinal reason, but because of mistreatment and hypocrisy on the part of their fellow cult members, especially those in positions of authority.

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Gerrit Losch Claims JW's Attending College Are Spiritually Weak

by pale.emperor in

https://www.facebook.com/jw.0027/videos/799049613609936/.

the video was posted directly to a pro-jw facebook page.

i cant believe what i'm hearing... actually, nothing surprises be about this cult anymore.. didn't they say to the judge in the arc that they dont discourage college?.

jp1692

That may be true JD, but it is missing the point of this thread.

It's not just about money or status. That is the cult's thinking. That's what they told you to think.

BTW, have you noticed that several times you have used the WT's favorite weasel words phrase "a number of ...."?

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Are you a Christian Who Accepts Evolution?

by cofty in

if you identify as a christian but you have accepted that the diversity of life - including humans - resulted from a process of biological evolution could you add your name please?.

just to be clear i am referring to the fact that our physical lineage could literally be traced back all the way to non-human species.. if you like maybe you could comment on why you see not conflict between evolution and your christian faith.. there is a tendency to conflate evolution with atheism.

it would be good to show that this is not the case..

jp1692

Saename: Neanderthals are not our ancestors.

What does it mean to be human (Smithsonian National Museum of Natural History):

"Neanderthals have contributed approximately 1-4% of the genomes of non-African modern humans, although a modern human who lived about 40,000 years ago has been found to have between 6-9% Neanderthal DNA (Fu et al 2015). The evidence we have of Neanderthal-modern human interbreeding sheds light on the expansion of modern humans out of Africa." - (Click the link above to read the full article)

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Gerrit Losch Claims JW's Attending College Are Spiritually Weak

by pale.emperor in

https://www.facebook.com/jw.0027/videos/799049613609936/.

the video was posted directly to a pro-jw facebook page.

i cant believe what i'm hearing... actually, nothing surprises be about this cult anymore.. didn't they say to the judge in the arc that they dont discourage college?.

jp1692

JD: a number of people here think that College is a guarantee of a good job.

Who thinks that?

It's not a guarantee, but it does improve the odds. Consider these statistics from the US Department of Labor, Bureau of Labor Statistics:

But the main point here is personal choice, autonomy and locus of control.

The GB misfits have more than a century long history of claiming to be something they clearly are not, promising things they can't deliver and ridiculing those that choose to live their own lives and ignore the the misguided "advice" of ignorant free-loaders like Lösch.

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Gerrit Losch Claims JW's Attending College Are Spiritually Weak

by pale.emperor in

https://www.facebook.com/jw.0027/videos/799049613609936/.

the video was posted directly to a pro-jw facebook page.

i cant believe what i'm hearing... actually, nothing surprises be about this cult anymore.. didn't they say to the judge in the arc that they dont discourage college?.

jp1692

John Davis, no one here is saying EVERYONE should go to college.

What we are saying is that it is wrong for the WT leadership to say that NO ONE should go, misusing their religious authority to control and manipulate people, adversely affecting the lives of all of their members: needlessly limiting choices for those that listen to them and ridiculing and socially stigmatizing those that don't.

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Recovery From The Jehovah's Witnesses - A Guide

by pale.emperor in

hey guys.

a friend online asked me about my recovery and how i managed to recover relatively easily from watchtower indoctrination.

although i think a major part of it is acquainting oneself with information about the watchtower and it's history, a lot of it (for me at least) was an inner game.

jp1692

Well done, Pale Emperor!

There are many pathways to healing and rebuilding one'a life after being in and leaving a cult.

Thank you for sharing some of the things you have learned from your journey!

JP

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Wow i do not reconize this religion anymore...

by _Morpheus in

had the misfortune of stopping by the "regional" convention yesterday.

i promised my daughter i would come to sunday afternoon so she wouldnt have to ride home with her mother.... holy crap it was weird!

im sure all of this has been covered on the forum but to actually see it.... just wow.

jp1692

Morpheus: In just two short years that religion has done a 180 and embraced everything it was against.

It's "New Light" brother.

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Clapping and singing in Conventions... like the evangelicals??

by ILoveTTATT2 in

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https://www.facebook.com/traslapados/videos/1470101566382318/?hc_ref=otherwhat do you think of this video?.

do you think they're imitating evangelicals?is this happening in other places?

?.

jp1692

Tallon: I don't recognise this 'religion' anymore.

Right, that's because we are "apostates."

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Are You Raising An Introvert?

by darth frosty in

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its not easy being an introvert in an extrovert worldespecially when youre a kid.

it is even more difficult if none of the adults in the kids life recognize that the child is an introvert.

this doesnt happen only when the childs parents are extroverts, but also with introverted parents who have never understood their own introverted nature.. .

jp1692

New Light: It's just that I am my own best friend.

Me too. My BFF that is, not yours! ... LOL

asleif_dufansdottir: The highest compliment I've ever paid my husband was to tell him that being around him was almost as good as being by myself.

And while I get it, I wonder how he took it.

TheJigsUp: this is also very much like aspergers

No, people with Aspergers are socially awkward. Introverts can be very comfortable with people and put them at ease; they just like to be alone. Not the same at all.

Hoser: Sally, she is sooo sensitive?

Yeah, I can’t tell you how many times someone said to be in a denigrating, condescending manner, “You’re so sensitive!” Depending on my mood I’d usually either reply with icy silence or a quip like, “You say that like it’s a bad thing.” If they were particularly annoying I’d add, “Yes, and YOU are so INSENSITIVE!”

That was always a conversation stopper!

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Are You Raising An Introvert?

by darth frosty in

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its not easy being an introvert in an extrovert worldespecially when youre a kid.

it is even more difficult if none of the adults in the kids life recognize that the child is an introvert.

this doesnt happen only when the childs parents are extroverts, but also with introverted parents who have never understood their own introverted nature.. .

jp1692

Darth, Yes I am raising an introvert: ME!

Those are interesting articles you posted. As an introvert myself, I would have preferred you quoted a few key points, commented on them and then gave us the link so we could read the complete articles if we wanted.

I'd rather read YOUR thoughts than someone else's cut and pasted wholesale.

What can be frustrating is that people often think I'm an extrovert because I am not shy and can be very outspoken. What they don't know is the intense inner dialogue that's always going on, all the things I think but never ever say. What they don't understand is my impatience with pointless small-talk and the frequent desire to be alone.

I can't tell you how often I've been called "anti-social" and/or criticized for simply wanting to be alone. That passive-aggressive bullshit is just so annoying.

JP