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  Using Illegal Means for Righteous Activism

  by John Davis in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i wanted to get people's opinion on something.

  how do you feel when people use illegal means while performing their activism to shed light on the watchtower.

  there have been people who have illegally recorded conversations with elders and with branch offices or at meetings.

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  jp1692

  JD, I notice that you didn't answer my question.
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  Using Illegal Means for Righteous Activism

  by John Davis in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i wanted to get people's opinion on something.

  how do you feel when people use illegal means while performing their activism to shed light on the watchtower.

  there have been people who have illegally recorded conversations with elders and with branch offices or at meetings.

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  jp1692

  JD, I am very familiar with both the purposes and the process of the judicial system in the US.

  Rather than get sidetracked in a pointless discussion of the morality of legal maneuvering I just want you to consider one simple question: Why don't the WTBTS' leaders simply just cooperate when asked to by judges via court orders?
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  What religions/organizations aren't a cult?

  by Jules Saturn in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so we've already established that most religions can be classified as high control groups, we can name the wbts, church of scientology, lds, etc.

  the list goes on and on.

  but are there any religions or organizations that aren't classified as a high control group or aren't as bad as the ones i've just mentioned?

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  jp1692

  Dozy: JWs / WTBTS ... exploits free labour.

  Bingo!

  And the methods the organization uses to do that are classic cultish behaviors.

  It's not WHAT a group does that determines if it is a cult--the specific activities are irrelevant. It's HOW THEY TREAT THEIR MEMBERS!
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  Using Illegal Means for Righteous Activism

  by John Davis in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i wanted to get people's opinion on something.

  how do you feel when people use illegal means while performing their activism to shed light on the watchtower.

  there have been people who have illegally recorded conversations with elders and with branch offices or at meetings.

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  jp1692

  JD: Please provide more examples

  I gave you one. You didn't like it.

  Research it yourself if you REALLY want to know: If you care and if you dare.
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  Using Illegal Means for Righteous Activism

  by John Davis in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i wanted to get people's opinion on something.

  how do you feel when people use illegal means while performing their activism to shed light on the watchtower.

  there have been people who have illegally recorded conversations with elders and with branch offices or at meetings.

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  jp1692

  This is an undeniable fact with over 100 years of legal controversies to prove it: The WTBTS uses the LAW (Read: legal system) to serve its own selfish ends every time. But they even more easily disregard what is MORAL and/or RIGHT every time if it might cost them $$$.
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  Using Illegal Means for Righteous Activism

  by John Davis in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i wanted to get people's opinion on something.

  how do you feel when people use illegal means while performing their activism to shed light on the watchtower.

  there have been people who have illegally recorded conversations with elders and with branch offices or at meetings.

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  jp1692

  JD, your answer is funny. You are obviously still a JW apologist, at least on some level.

  What the courts LATER decided is one thing. The fact remains, that WT did not initially comply.

  BTW, that was only one example. There are countless others here, UK and OZ.
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  Is There Anywhere To Go for an Outed JW elder/pedophile enabler?

  by mrmagic in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  since the australian royal commission, a lot of jw elders have been outed for either being pedophiles/molesters or for enabling it.

  the jw elders who enabled it, are publicly outed to their community online and offline.

  it's become a congregational matter with the entire kingdom hall and someone said that this elder would lose his eldership possibly, due to it "being known in the congregation and community" that he enabled child sexual abuse.

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  jp1692

  Mr. Magic: someone said that this elder would lose his eldership possibly, due to it "being known in the congregation and community" that he enabled child sexual abuse. Is that even possible?

  Well let's hope that's true.

  Seriously, this group is so incestuous with their beliefs, rules and regulations that I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to learn that their petty ways (meant to protect only the organization and no one else) implode on their own: collateral damage.
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  Using Illegal Means for Righteous Activism

  by John Davis in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i wanted to get people's opinion on something.

  how do you feel when people use illegal means while performing their activism to shed light on the watchtower.

  there have been people who have illegally recorded conversations with elders and with branch offices or at meetings.

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  jp1692

  JD: Watchtower has been mostly complying with the [court] orders

  That does not appear to be even remotely true. There are countless instances all around the world of WT refusing to comply with court orders. Also, they redacting important information when they do and they often simply stonewall.

  Heck, in 2014 when Gerrit Lösch was subpoenaed to appear in the Superior Court of California, County of San Diego, to testify at a deposition in a child abuse case, he just didn’t show. Instead, his WT attorney filed a bullshit affidavit lyingly saying that Lösch does “not answer to Watchtower” and that the “Watchtower does not have, and never has had, any authority” over him.

  • Declaration of Gerrit Lösch

  In this case, the WTBTS received a $13.5 million judgment against it for its complicity in the abuse suffered by Jose Lopez at the hands of Gonzalo Campos. One of the reasons why the lawsuit went so badly for Watchtower was due to its failure to comply with various court orders, including requests for documents and an appearance by Lösch at a deposition.
  
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  Using Illegal Means for Righteous Activism

  by John Davis in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i wanted to get people's opinion on something.

  how do you feel when people use illegal means while performing their activism to shed light on the watchtower.

  there have been people who have illegally recorded conversations with elders and with branch offices or at meetings.

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  jp1692

  JD: Does everyone think like you and feel that if they break a law in exposing the Watchtower and then face some negative consequences that it is unfair because Watchtower gets away, with what they feel are crimes.

  That's a bit of a world salad, but let me at least clarify this point: I was not interested in "exposing the Watchtower." I wanted a recording of the elders admitting to wrongdoing. I needed it to be their own voices which other people could recognize.
  

  This was personal.
  
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  Using Illegal Means for Righteous Activism

  by John Davis in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i wanted to get people's opinion on something.

  how do you feel when people use illegal means while performing their activism to shed light on the watchtower.

  there have been people who have illegally recorded conversations with elders and with branch offices or at meetings.

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  jp1692

  JD: I just don't think it is personally worth risking a criminal conviction when there are other ways.

  But what do you do when there are no "other ways"?

  The "founding fathers" believed there was no other way. They were willing to accept the consequences. Had the Americans lost the Revolutionary War they'd all be hung or shot as traitors and they knew it. The Declaration of Independence was a declaration of war and has high treason against the British crown.
  

  [BTW: could you please put in some paragraph breaks occasionally? It'd make your posts easier to read. Thanks!]