Stuck, Cognitive dissonance is strong in your father, as it is in most cult members. That's why they stay: they can't admit to themselves they--or their beloved cult--is wrong about anything.
Posts by jp1692
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40My Father has brandished me with the "APOSTATE" word for talking about the BIBLE!
by stuckinarut2 inso after three years of fading, my elder father has never really asked why we have chosen to stop attending.. today, after a mixed discussion, he starts talking about the "solution to all the world problems" and says "i don't know what you now believe, but i believe gods kingdom will fix everything" i let the comment go, and didn't respond.. then he goes on about the video "remember the wife of lot" because he just came from the convention last weekend.
"don't get caught up in this system...blah blah".
i couldn't help myself, and said one thing "dad, that video failed to show the next chapter of that account.
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Once you've proved the truth to yourself you don't need to keep trying to disprove it...
by cognisonance ini was told this during my judicial committee (some five years ago) when i brought up concerns i had with the "truth.
" in addition one of the elders (who was an engineer) said once you've accepted a proof of pythagorus' theorem you don't later start doubting that theorem.
i thought that argument was a weak analogy then.
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jp1692
cognisonance: even mathematicians are reluctant to say something is totally true.
This is how it is in science. You can never positively and unreservedly prove anything true once and for all time.
All explanations are tentative based on the idea that we could learn something later that proves us wrong. So who is more humble: religionists or scientists?
I think the evidence speaks for itself.
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Once you've proved the truth to yourself you don't need to keep trying to disprove it...
by cognisonance ini was told this during my judicial committee (some five years ago) when i brought up concerns i had with the "truth.
" in addition one of the elders (who was an engineer) said once you've accepted a proof of pythagorus' theorem you don't later start doubting that theorem.
i thought that argument was a weak analogy then.
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jp1692
How about this: Once you've proved to yourself that JWs absolutely do NOT have "the Truth," you don't need to keep proving it's a high-control, authoritarian cult.
Been there, done that. Bought the T
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Make Your Excellent Point to a JW, But- Remember, it's a Mind Control Cult.
by OnTheWayOut inso i am reading from many that they have an excellent thought-stopper for jw's.
(remember reasoning from the scriptures used "thought-stoppers?
)"if you just show them [this scripture or use this logic or expose this problem with the organization], you will shut them down.".
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jp1692
That's all really great, balanced advice.
One of the best take-aways that I got from Hassan's book is this: never discuss doctrine.
Why not? Because mind-control groups aren't really about doctrines or beliefs. Sure they all have this or that ideology or belief system which they tout as "the truth" but that's just the window dressing. The fact that those beliefs can change and often do change at the whim of the cult leader is proof of that.
Cults are about one thing: control.
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JW.org is a real estate and publishing company disguesd as a religion.
by UNCONDITIONAL LOVE insince my awakening i have tried to understand why and how people could continue to believe so blindly in a proven false "religious" cult that has such an extensive and detailed record of scandals, lies and cover ups???
i've come to the personal conclusion that there are three major reasons.
i call them the 3 f-ups!
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jp1692
Yes it is. And anymore it's not much of a publishing company. That's probably why they're constantly begging for money at every turn.
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My Story
by Lee Elder inthis is the first of a multi-part article that tells my story, and how ajwrb got started.. https://www.openmindsfoundation.org/saving-thousand-lives-year-reform-watchtowers-policy-blood-transfusions-part-one/.
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jp1692
Lee, thanks for sharing.
You and I actually spoke on the phone more than a decade ago. At that time you were trying to recruit me into the movement of reforming the org.
I'm glad you've finally realized the futility of that well-intentioned but hopelessly naive idea.
Great story. Well written and informative. Many newer ones won't be familiar with the Bulgarian Scandal.
Thanks for sharing!
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2018 Special Conventions
by wifibandit inseptember 7, 2017 to all congregations re: 2018 special conventions.
september 9, 2017 to all bodies of elders re: 2018 special conventions—instructions for congregation secretaries.
2018 special convention application.
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jp1692
Gotta love this actual quote from the letter:
“Your congregation has not been selected [but], ... please be assured of our warm Christian love and best wishes.”
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September 11, 2017 Re: Global Assistance Arrangement for the 2018 Service Year
by wifibandit inseptember 11, 2017 to all congregations in the united states re: global assistance arrangement for the 2018 service year.
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jp1692
And yet another money grab.
The bastards that run this
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"... climate of disfellowshipping in Hull currently... " - Hull Daily Mail
by Nicholaus Kopernicus inarticle from the above news paper... .
http://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/news/hull-east-yorkshire-news/hull-jehovahs-witnesses-speak-out-444185.
maybe boe in north east england having an attack of zealous fervour!
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jp1692
Incredible. Sadly, it's nothing new really, just a more virulent strain of cult-behaviour.
This religion destroys families. That's the truth, the real truth.
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Funniest or strangest thing to happen to you when knocking on a door
by usualusername1 inwhat is the funniest or strangest thing to happen to you or your partner when knocking on doors?.
mine was seeing a greenhouse with mannequins inside.
scary...paul.
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jp1692
Yes it would. It might even be worth going back .... no, never mind. It wouldnt!
Glad we have this place to share!!!