What if a gay person wearing a MAGA hat wants to order a wedding cake? What then?
Well in that case, MAGA = Make America Gay Again!
Let them eat cake, and the hat should be pink ... or rainbow colored!
maga hat...make america great again .
guy wears it in nyc bar and gets thrown out.
manhattan court throws out the case citing that since its not religious discrimination, it’s the bar’s right.. what so you think about this?
What if a gay person wearing a MAGA hat wants to order a wedding cake? What then?
Well in that case, MAGA = Make America Gay Again!
Let them eat cake, and the hat should be pink ... or rainbow colored!
just spoke with my mother about the summit for north and south korea, her face turned a ghastly pale and she refused to talk to me about it afterwards.
i know exactly what is on her mind, and i'm not sure if i can say or do anything to assuage her fears about this being a fulfillment of prophecy.
any suggestions on what i could perhaps tell her to try and steer her from her line of thinking?
She should be happy. Armageddon is about to happen!
Does mom have some "secret sins" perhaps?
Snarky comments aside, this is the problem with doomsday cults: they fuck with people's minds and make them terrified of imaginary events that'll never happen.
i know we often talk of the mind control and how jw's believe what they are taught because they are controlled as to the information they receive, but i think the mind control goes frighteningly beyond simply keeping information away from them.. the jw mind is in lockdown.
it simply cannot accept facts, evidence, reasoning or whatever that goes against what they believe.
they cannot assimilate and consider an argument, it is not that they are being awkward, or willfully blind, their minds are so shut down they are incapable of taking in what is being presented.. i am aware of how, in common with other cults and high control groups the j.w org achieves this state among its members, but how on earth do we open such a solidly closed mind ?.
You're welcome, Phizzy!
i know we often talk of the mind control and how jw's believe what they are taught because they are controlled as to the information they receive, but i think the mind control goes frighteningly beyond simply keeping information away from them.. the jw mind is in lockdown.
it simply cannot accept facts, evidence, reasoning or whatever that goes against what they believe.
they cannot assimilate and consider an argument, it is not that they are being awkward, or willfully blind, their minds are so shut down they are incapable of taking in what is being presented.. i am aware of how, in common with other cults and high control groups the j.w org achieves this state among its members, but how on earth do we open such a solidly closed mind ?.
Here are a couple of other ideas on this subject:
The best chance of reaching a loved one that is in a cult is simply respectful, heartfelt communication. Unfortunately there is no “magic-bullet” or one approach that always works.
As counseling psychologist Michael D. Langone, PhD, the Executive Director of the ICSA, explains, the best approach is the “patient, persistent communication of that which ultimately shatters all walls: truth, honesty, respect and love” (Giambalvo, 5).
Here also is an anecdotal account of what worked for one former JW cult member and how her husband helped her learn TTATT:
Do not use or share any “apostate” material (study it before for topics and ideas, but do not directly mention or reference)
Never criticized or put down the organization, GB, elders, etc. Very important since one is so sensitive to that subject when you believe they are directed by Jehovah.
Never, ever discuss doctrine
Never disrespected the JW’s beliefs.
Share doubts, but do so in a humble, non-confrontation manner. Don’t assert definite answers or proof: “I researched this and found out it's not the truth because ... blah blah blah. …”
Use lots of questions and try to let your relative/loved one think for themselves.
wt back to 1950, aw back to 1970, like the cd rom library... .
why?
lol.
JWGoneBad,
I joined the cult in 1984 (ironic, no?).
I was completely unaware of past statements like the above from WT leadership.
My "born-in" and still-in, ex-wife showed me this quote back in 2002 or 2003 when we were still married. I'm sure she doesn't know it, but that quote was what actually got me to begin seriously doubting our religion.
I began tugging on a few of the threads that had been giving me more or less minor, but still nagging, doubts. Once you pull of a couple of loose threads of the WT/JW "theology" the whole thing quickly falls apart.
I tried to leave with my family intact, but alas I was unsuccessful. This is how I learned--the hard way--that doctrine actually doesn't matter to most JWs. The mind control is too strong.
Let's review: It's a cult!
i know we often talk of the mind control and how jw's believe what they are taught because they are controlled as to the information they receive, but i think the mind control goes frighteningly beyond simply keeping information away from them.. the jw mind is in lockdown.
it simply cannot accept facts, evidence, reasoning or whatever that goes against what they believe.
they cannot assimilate and consider an argument, it is not that they are being awkward, or willfully blind, their minds are so shut down they are incapable of taking in what is being presented.. i am aware of how, in common with other cults and high control groups the j.w org achieves this state among its members, but how on earth do we open such a solidly closed mind ?.
To paraphrase Steven Hassan: "Never discuss doctrine!"
wt back to 1950, aw back to 1970, like the cd rom library... .
why?
lol.
The Awake! magazine only goes back to 1970, so you can't read this little gem:
“If you are a young person, you also need to face the fact that you will never grow old in this present system of things. Why not? Because all the evidence in fulfillment of Bible prophecy indicates that this corrupt system is due to end in a few years. Of the generation that observed the beginning of the “last days” in 1914, Jesus foretold: “This generation will by no means pass away until all these things occur.”-Matt. 24:34. Therefore, as a young person, you will never fulfill any career that this system offers. If you are in high school and thinking about a college education, it means at least four, perhaps even six or eight more years to graduate into a specialized career. But where will this system of things be by that time? It will be well on the way toward its finish, if not actually gone!” Awake! 1969, May 22, p.15
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maenrmttb-u&list=plj1cxa6hnc11blsv8iz9lzlux_zz6onyd&index=109.
go to minute nine for the third clip.
what is up with that hair???
Ah, how cute. She's camera shy, that one!
But we did learn the way of happiness: run away when people ask you uncomfortable questions.
Let's review: It's a cult!
hey forum goers.
i'd like your opinions on constructing an email reply to this shocker below.
bit of background about the sender: she is a middle-aged, cheery uberdub whose siblings left when a schism occured in her congregation in canada way back when.
LHG: self-righteous JWs
I had to laugh because it's so redundant!
hey forum goers.
i'd like your opinions on constructing an email reply to this shocker below.
bit of background about the sender: she is a middle-aged, cheery uberdub whose siblings left when a schism occured in her congregation in canada way back when.
Frankly, you're probably better off just ignoring her. As the saying goes, "You can't argue with a sick mind!"
That being said, you might consider a carefully crafted response to Sister Blind Faith's absurd, but common JW assertion: "Jehovah ... doesn't favour the intellectual ones who are proud and showy with their academic knowledge"