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well well....how wonderful it is to see people taking potshots at one another, to see a group of people who could be supporting and helping one another instead turn to infighting and slagging.

i'm disgusted by it all, i really am.

in the last year or so that i've been online, i thought that i had made some real friends, i thought that it was possible to really get to know people thru this modern miracle of technology.

I can understand why you feel the way you do. I ,along with others who have spoken up in your thread feel as you do. Sometimes I don't know wether to leave it alone ( what's been going on the pat few days), or speak my mind. I think you VERY well summed up what SO MANY of us are thinking and wanting to say.

For me,this board has been of very much help to too many to give up. It's points that Simon said that make me stay, after thinking about it. And that is is that it really is a minority of people who just look for trouble here.

I miss you, tracy, and all the gang that used to hang out in the chat. I miss the old days. and think about you all often. You are ONE STRONG PERSON. I wish the best for you. Someday, I'll find myself ready to move on myself. For the time being, I'm here to stay. I do what Angarad does. I take breaks when I find myself getting really mad. Either that, or I just vent like you did!

love,

gwen

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Our Father who art in Pleiades

by zev in

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*** rbi8 matthew 6:9-13 ***.

9 you must pray, then, this way:.

to just what stars or star groups these names refer we do not know today.

somebody

LOL@ blondie. To that I ask...Why do I always get blamed for everything? That was great and so true! ( probably in every household)

Aguest,

Peace be with you always, my friend!

You said that the heavens are a SPIRIT REALM, which 'permeates everything'.

So the "heavens" ARE constillations? Or should I word it this way.." the stars are spirit realms".

peace,

somebody

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Something missing from Aug KM

by CC Ryder in

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i just read the aug km again on reborns post.

i noticed that they did not include what to do if they come upon a disfellowshipped or disassociated person who is stranded and in need of help.

this had been previously covered with this same material the last that i remember.

somebody

Hi CC Ryder,

In the KM insert, the wbts direct to see The Watchtower of September 15, 1981. In the insert, they reference pages 18-20,25,28,29-31. They never made reference to page 16 which I quote the following from:

*** w81 9/15 18 Godly Conduct Toward Others *** NOT INHUMANE TOWARD OTHERS

13 As an aid in determining what our conduct should be toward such a person, we need to understand Jesus words: Let him be to you just as a man of the nations and as a tax collector. In later centuries, some Jewish rabbis did express extreme views, such as that a Jew should not even help a Gentile who was in peril of death. Such heartlessness was not shown only toward Gentiles. For instance, in Jesus parable about being a true neighbor, both a Levite and a priest refused to help an injured fellow Jew, though a Samaritan later did so.Luke 10:29-37.

14 But in Matthew 18:17 Jesus could not have meant that his disciples were to refuse to do an act of human kindness, as in a case of accident or of desperate need. Jesus showed such kindness to some Gentiles.

So it realy isnt odd that when jws think of JWs on the road -- they associate them with the Priests of Israel who passed by the injured man -- the man who was not helped until the good Samaritan happened upon him. Amazing, you've probably read it repeatedly for years.

Makes one wonder why they left that page out in their references.

peace,

somebody

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Comments on Connie Chung / CNN

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outstanding !!!

... actually, connie was too nice to the jw leaders in her questions ... and i appreciate the two young ex-jw girls who connie interviewed ... they were straight forward, clear, and credible ... and they did a good job making the case ... and kudos to bill bowen for calling the watchtower's statement a bold-faced lie, because that is what it is ... the watchtower society clearly lied as to what they say their policy is, and what has been practiced in real life.

great job !!!

somebody

comforter,

I did not misread what was in the watchtwer. I quoted was was said of a person who "revealed" himself as a child molester. Under the heading, What of a Child Molester? The article states this also

" Depending on the law of the land where he lives, the molester may well h ave to serve a prison term or face other sanctions from the State. The congregation will not protect him from this."

Isn't hat real nice of the congregation? Not to protect the pedophile from going to jail if the State sentences he or she to serve time in prison for such a crime against CHILDREN? GET REAL! The congregation won't because they CAN"T !!! If they could, they would! It is very obvious by what they say they WILL do for this "weak brother" as you put it. They will ENCOURAGE him to take part in the theocratic ministry school and going door- to -door. Nice of them to send a KNOWN pedophile out to peoples houses in public. People that do NOT KNOW that he is a pedophile. ANd how dfo you think the victim in the Kingdom Hall feels, having to look at him and listen to him while he's up at the podium giving a speech in the Kingdom Hall?

Belive me, I DO HATE THE SIN. But how is the WBTS' "agressive policy to protect children" protecting them? HOW ! Someone has to keep these pedophiles away from children.

Comments on Connie Chung / CNN

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outstanding !!!

... actually, connie was too nice to the jw leaders in her questions ... and i appreciate the two young ex-jw girls who connie interviewed ... they were straight forward, clear, and credible ... and they did a good job making the case ... and kudos to bill bowen for calling the watchtower's statement a bold-faced lie, because that is what it is ... the watchtower society clearly lied as to what they say their policy is, and what has been practiced in real life.

great job !!!

somebody

Thank you, Bill, Heidi and Amber! (and Connie Chung, for doing the show)

Here is what I noticed......

1/1/97 Watchtower , speaking about a known child molester in the congregation.

Moreover, the man has revealed a serious weakness that henceforth will have to be taken into account. If he seems to be repentant, he will be encouraged to make spiritual progress, share in the field service, even have parts in the Theocratic Ministry School and nonteaching parts

in the Service Meeting.

The Jehovahs Witnesses/Watchtower Bible and Tract Societys words on CNN , read by Connie Chung for the world to hear:

We abhor the sexual abuse of children and will NOT PROTECT and perpetrator from the consequences of this gross and perverse sin. We expect elders to investigate every allegation of child abuse.

Suddenly, when talking to the public, for the world to hear,a child molester is no longer referred to as a person having a serious weakness, but because the world is listening, the child molester is referred to as a perpetrator of a gross and perverse sin.

I can see their decietfullness. Trying to look good for the public again. And lying again, as usual.

The WBTS also conveniently did not mention that the elders investigation into allegations of child abuse are to ask the accused if he or she did molest the victim, and if he says he or she didnt, then that is the end of the investigation. Nothing more is done. Unless ,of course, there were at least two people watching.

So much for the WBTS' "aggresive" policy to protect children!

peace,

somebody

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I need help, JWs or Ex or Non

by somebody in

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opinions please .

ive read that the clergy of christendom in this 20th century have considered that the preachers associated with the watchtower bible and tract society were to be the last ones to have any valid assignment in gods service, but that it is a fact that those who are preachers associated with the wbts received the denarius-the honor of serving as anointed ambassadors of gods heavenly kingdom.

can anyone elaborate on this?

somebody

OPINIONS PLEASE

Ive read that the clergy of Christendom in this 20 th century have considered that the preachers associated with the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society were to be the last ones to have any valid assignment in Gods service, but that it is a FACT that those who are preachers associated with the WBTS received the denarius-the honor of serving as anointed ambassadors of Gods heavenly Kingdom.

Can anyone elaborate on this? Im confused. I thought a denarius was a gold coin of the Roman Empire.

Any input will be of great help and greatly appreciated.

peace,

somebody

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smoking-"if one ERRS"

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zev, posting as "somebody"

*** w96 1/15 18-19 jehovah's sheep need tender care ***.

if a new one errs

somebody

I DO think smoking is bad for ones health. Like I think other addictions are. But to abuse 2 John11 and to APPLY it to ANYONE who has NEVER been a DECIEVER nor an ANTICHRST ,and is nothing more than a cigarette smoker or an adulterer or just a sinner in general because we ALL inherited sin from Adam and Eve is sad, to say the least.

To abuse God's word, the Bible,as a means of making excuses for juging other fellow sinners is disgusting to me. The WBTS is the disgusting thing standing in a Holy Place. I think for being as disgusting as they are, they chose the best place, Biblically, to place their printing factory. Bethel has it's biblical story alone.

peace,

somebody

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smoking-"if one ERRS"

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zev, posting as "somebody"

*** w96 1/15 18-19 jehovah's sheep need tender care ***.

if a new one errs

somebody

zev, posting as "somebody"

*** w96 1/15 18-19 Jehovah's Sheep Need Tender Care ***
If a New One Errs

13 Elders imitate the Great Shepherd, Jehovah, who says: I myself shall feed my sheep, . . . the broken one I shall bandage and the ailing one I shall strengthen. (Ezekiel 34:15, 16; Ephesians 5:1) In line with that spirit, the disciple Jude urged that mercy be shown to anointed Christians who had doubts or had fallen into sin. (Jude 22, 23) Since we rightly expect much more of experienced Christians, surely mercy should be shown to a newly baptized persona mere lambwho errs but is repentant. (Luke 12:48; 15:1-7) Elders, who judge for Jehovah, therefore give such sheep tender care and readjust them in a spirit of mildness.2 Chronicles 19:6; Acts 20:28, 29; Galatians 6:1.

14 Suppose, then, that a recently baptized publisher formerly had a drinking problem and lapsed into overindulgence on one or two occasions. Or perhaps he overcame a long-standing tobacco habit but yielded to the temptation to smoke privately a time or two. Even though our new brother has prayed for Gods forgiveness, he should seek the help of an elder so that the sin does not become habitual. (Psalm 32:1-5; James 5:14, 15) When he mentions his error to one of the elders, that elder should try to readjust the new one in a merciful way. (Psalm 130:3) Scriptural counsel may suffice to help him to make straight paths for his feet thereafter. (Hebrews 12:12, 13) This elder would discuss the circumstances with the presiding overseer of the congregation to determine what further assistance should be given.

15 In some cases more may be needed. If notoriety, danger to the flock, or other serious problems are involved, the body of elders would assign two elders to investigate the matter. If these elders find that the matter is sufficiently serious that a judicial committee is needed, they should report this to the body of elders. The body of elders would then appoint a judicial committee to assist the erring one. The judicial committee should deal with him in a tender way. They should strive to readjust him with the Scriptures. If he responds to the kindly efforts of the judicial committee, then they could determine whether there would be any benefit in his not being used for parts on the platform at meetings in the Kingdom Hall or if he should be allowed to comment at meetings.

16 If the erring one responds, an elder or two on the judicial committee could arrange to make shepherding calls intended to bolster his faith and build his appreciation for Gods righteous standards. Each of them might work with him in the field ministry from time to time. They may have a few Scriptural discussions with him, possibly using appropriate Watchtower and Awake! articles but not establishing a regular Bible study. With such tender care, the erring one may be strengthened to resist weaknesses of the flesh in the days ahead.

17 Of course, having been baptized recently is no excuse for unrepentantly practicing sin. (Hebrews 10:26, 27; Jude 4) If any baptized wrongdoer does not repent and abandon his sinful course, he would be expelled from the congregation. (1 Corinthians 5:6, 11-13; 2 Thessalonians 2:11, 12; 2 John 9-11) When this action seems necessary, the body of elders will choose a judicial committee. If expulsion occurs, this brief announcement would be made: . . . has been disfellowshipped.

letting the watchtower hang themselves with their own words....

zev

Edited by - SOMEBODY on 11 August 2002 17:54:15