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  To: Lurking Elders or Former Elders

  by somebody in

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  if the watch tower society prints information such as this, claiming that they a legal instrument used by jws, .

  watchtower 98 3/15 18 .

  living up to christian dedication in freedom .

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  "The elders will bear the brunt of this. The WTBTS will cut bait and run fast."

  You summed up my point!
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  Condolences to Jayson..

  by Lin in

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  jayson's (also known here as iwasyoungonce) step-mother passed away last night.

  he is now travelling, a 6 hour drive, and will be back with us in a few days.

  jayson, our thoughts and prayers are with you my friend!

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  Please accept my sincere condolences for your loss too, Iwasyoungonce.

  And please keep all your memories of your step-mom alive in your memories. The good memories along with the not-so-good.

  I have a step-mom and hold her dearly to my heart, faults and all, as I do everyone else who make and have made impressions in my life.

  My prayers and thoughts are with you.

  peace,

  somebody/gwen

  Edited by - somebody on 20 November 2002 15:37:9
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  An Apology

  by ChakkaConned in

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  have you ever done something so imbarrasing that you can't make yourself look back or even think about the deed for a very long time?.

  several months ago, i had a real bad day.

  i was very bummed about my life and the losses i felt due to my jw experience.

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  lol@ThiChi

  And that's not mentioning letters she should write PLEAING for reinstatement! And we should let her know that we will ignore the first 2? Should we ignore her till she begs via at LEAST 2 letters and 6 months go by?

  I think not!

  Chakka,

  Welcome! You are very welcomed here, as you can see.

  Edited by - somebody on 20 November 2002 15:29:8
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  An Apology

  by ChakkaConned in

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  have you ever done something so imbarrasing that you can't make yourself look back or even think about the deed for a very long time?.

  several months ago, i had a real bad day.

  i was very bummed about my life and the losses i felt due to my jw experience.

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  ChakkaConned,

  Great name!

  The fact that you feel bad for what you think was inappropriate and are now appoligizing speaks volumes about who you are.

  I would not feel bad anymore ,nor rack myself with guilt now if I were you. All of us here are the same! We are ALL imperfect humans and we've ALL done and said things that we felt bad about. So in reality, we ALL are you, in one way or another.

  peace,

  gwen
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  To: Lurking Elders or Former Elders

  by somebody in

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  if the watch tower society prints information such as this, claiming that they a legal instrument used by jws, .

  watchtower 98 3/15 18 .

  living up to christian dedication in freedom .

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  Hi JT,

  First let me say that it's good to see you back here and read your thoughts...

  It's good to see you back and here and to read your thoughts!

  You said: >>>>>>>>> yep I RECALL it like yesterday a group of former bethelites were discussing this with the bethel instructor since we knew him personally during lunch and he said the same thing

  the slave is protecting it's interest and most of the guys felt it was a smart move and if the elders had to suffer , then YOU WOULD BE SUFFERING FOR THE KINGDOM

  ------------------------------One would think that the "slave" would help the elders in their "persecution" seeing as how most elders to not have the financial means/lawyers fees to protect themselves. Being that the "salve" is supposed to be a "LEGAL CORPORATION" that "WITNESSES USE".

  You also said>>>>>>the comment was made that thruout history folks have fallen on thier sword in behalf of a greater good and that is how most jw, elder and publishers view something that turns out to be wrong

  ask any REAL dyed in the wool jw about transplant or alternative service or blood fractions do they have a problem with all who suffered under wrong info and they will tell you something to the effect

  they will be ressurected since they died for righteous sake or they made the best choice with the knowledge that jah had revealed at THAT TIME

  ------------I remeber reading somwhere in a "society" publication that JWs in those terrible situations were not to SAY THAT THEY WOULD SEE THAT PERSON WHEN THEY ARE RESURRECTED, to the public. { I wish I could find the WTS publication where I read that! )

  You said too>>>>>>>>>>> BOTTOM line is they don't see the the connection that wt is hanging you out to dry and

  as was stated most elder and pub view any SUFFERING as for the kingdom good and therefore they HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH IT

  and we see that to be the case over and over --

  once you see THE MAN BEHIND THE CURTAIN, it becomes very hard to continue

  for those who do get it they will have to leave wt for it is not possible to continue and we have seen it in others and our own personal exp it is hard to attend meetings prepare parts go out in service once you have seen THE MAN BEHIND THE CURTAIN

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  "THE MAN BEHIND THE CURTAIN" makes me think about THE ORGANIZATION BEHIND THE NAME.

  peace to you,

  somebody
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  To: Lurking Elders or Former Elders

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  if the watch tower society prints information such as this, claiming that they a legal instrument used by jws, .

  watchtower 98 3/15 18 .

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  Here is the link to a court case:

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=6035&site=3

  I glanced at it again and I don't think it was a representative of the society, but maybe and elder. I'll have to read the whole thing over again, but either way, I'm sure you can see what I see, considering what you've been through.

  I thank you again for your input, wheelwithinwheel. It's appreciated.

  peace,

  gwen
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  if the watch tower society prints information such as this, claiming that they a legal instrument used by jws, .

  watchtower 98 3/15 18 .

  living up to christian dedication in freedom .

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  wheelwithinwheel,

  I thank you for you input and sharing your experience.

  I DO care about elders in the JW congregations. The "society" doesn't. Not one iota as you saw firsthand. I'm SO glad you said what you did because I don't believe elders really "see" what they are taking on. They are taking on a responsibility that the "society" led them to believe was a "privilege from Jehovah". If that were true, then the "society", with their multi millions of dollars would stand up and LEGALLY help their own with the LEGAL expenses they have to pay for lawyers and their LEGAL expenses. Seems to me that they instruct elders to follow the Flock book but if elders get sued for following it, they LEGALLY want nothing to do with the elders who followed it!

  My heart truly goes out to elders who don't know any better. They end up paying such a dear price both mentally and financially...which effects them physicaly. The Society NOR the faithful and discreet slave are NOWHERE to be found when elders are in dire need spiritually when these TRUE things happen either. They want NO part of them when lawsuits happen. As a matter of FACT, the society will go as far as to send representatives to court to say that they have "no special relationship" with JWs that make up their congregations! I'll find the proof of that and I'll be back to post it here.

  peace to you,

  somebody/gwen

  Edited by - somebody on 20 November 2002 14:34:31
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  To: Lurking Elders or Former Elders

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  if the watch tower society prints information such as this, claiming that they a legal instrument used by jws, .

  watchtower 98 3/15 18 .

  living up to christian dedication in freedom .

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  If the Watch Tower Society prints information such as this, claiming that they a LEGAL INSTRUMENT used by JWs,

  Watchtower 98 3/15 18

  Living Up to Christian Dedication in Freedom

  "For instance, the Witnesses use the Watch Tower Society as a legal instrument-one of many in various lands-to enable them to accomplish their work of helping fellow humans, especially in spiritual ways. "

  Proclaimers book. 219

  Development of the Organization Structure

  "Since the visible agency that would be used by Christ is the faithful and discreet slave (and the facts of modern-day history already considered show that this "slave" employs the Watch Tower Society as a legal instrument), The Watchtower explained that theocratic procedure would require that appointments of service be made through this agency. Even as the congregations in the first century recognized the governing body in Jerusalem, so today the congregations would not prosper spiritually without central supervision.-Acts 15:2-30; 16:4, 5.

  Then what do you think the reason is for them instructing these notes to be written and followed into the Flock book that YOU ELDERS use for all those that you took on the responsibility of judging?

  Six Expressions That Should Not Be Used on S77 and S79 Forms

  1. Anything alluding to or naming one of the Society's attorneys

  2. Any mention of the Legal Department

  3. Any comments referring to direction from the Society

  4. Any comments mentioning anyone other than the committee itself as a possible influence in the decision reached

  5. Any comments that might suggest to someone with a critical eye that the committee did not reach its decision on its own but, instead, somehow yielded to the influence of an outside party

  6. Any comments indicating that the elders mishandled the case or committed any error in the investigation or the judicial committee process.

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  Have you ever given thought to ,or have an opinion of why the Watchtower Society is a "legal" instrument or "agency" used by Christ but you are to keep it secret in writing on the S77 and S79 forms?

  One question that is even more important here is this:

  Is the Pay Attention To The Flock book written instruction by the "Society", or the "faithful and discreet slave"?

  With all the lawsuits against elders now, I would look up the WBTS statements that are in print now and how the two terms are "not interchangeable". And then read your Flock books VERY carefully. You elders never know when you will need legal help. And if you really read what the WBTS print, you're eyes will be opened. Opened wide!

  You should know the answer on whether the Flock book is instructions from the "faithful and discreet slave" spoken about in the Bible, or the "Society". Those two terms make the difference if you ever get sued for what you've done to people in your congregations.

  I'm asking you elders to research, because the "legal instrument" you use does not care to bother to tell you how they will respond if you get sued for following the rules in their Book.

  peace,

  gwen

  Edited by - somebody on 20 November 2002 13:6:20
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  Who makes you LOL?

  by RubyTuesday in

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  i think the type of humor we like says alot about our personalities.soooo.....now be nice...what does it say about me....i like" weird al " yankovic.

  i saw him in concert at cal poly university one year and i laughed so hard!!

  http://www.humor.com/html/comedians/links.html.

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  Rowan Atkinson

  Monty Python

  peace,

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  whats the name of the brochure?????

  by zev in

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  it had to do with the "organization" and we were supposed to review it with every new convert, it more or less praised the organization, and had lots of pictures of krooklyn.. .

  anyone remember its name, and if it is on the 99 cd-rom?.

  i'm doing some research,.

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  I'm back again.

  Here is one more thing I'm amazed at:

  What they printed in the Brochure for "outsiders" to read about themselves..................

  But they try to learn from their experiences and diligently study the Bible to make needed corrections.

  What they print in their KM for "insiders" to read..............

  Kingdom Ministry 4/93 3-4

  3 Direct Interest to the Organization: From our initial contact with interested persons, we should be directing their attention to the organization. While we may be able personally to locate scriptures and explain fundamental doctrines, we are not the source of such knowledge. Everything we have learned has come from the organization, channeled through the slave class that supplies "food at the proper time.
  

  So from "diligently studying the Bible", their own leaders tell them they merely "may be able to locate scriptures and explain fundamental doctrines." As far as "everything" they've learned, it came not from the Bible, but from the "organization".

  Let's give credit where credit is due, huh? Humbleness has it's pride.

  peace,
  gwen