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  Why are breakups so hard

  by Octavia in

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  for those of you who have been here for a long time and have supported so many people, i'm sure you've dealt with this and are probably sick of the topic.

  i thought i was fine; the relationship was not well, so the right thing to do is to either fix it or move on.

  well, it doesn't seem to be that easy.

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  ((((Octavia)))))

  I feel for you. REALLY, I do. MANY here and in your personal life have probably been at the exact place you are right now. I have to say I agree with the BKB ( before kick back) view Elsewhere has. ;-)

  If the relationship was not healthy and happy... then moving on is likely the best thing to do.

  If a relationship is healthy, it really isn't so much "work" at all. If a relationship is healthy, then there would be no work to change one another. Therefore, the word "potential" seems strange to me in a relationship that is already a relationship. If you don't understand what I'm trying to say, I'll word it this way as an example...

  Two people have a DATE. They like each other and they both figure the other as potential mates to have a serious relationship with. They keep on dating and their realtionship becomes more intimate, as each both have allowed.. Now the POTENTIAL is gone and they are in a relationship together, no longer being potentials to each other. Because if the potentail factor is not gone by then, then they will always view each other as having potential, but never fullfilling that potential.

  That was a quickie example of what my opinion is only. :-) Am I going in circles?

  peace,

  gwen...who thinks by only what you said, it is most definaely not an easy to do, but more than likey, the best thing to do. (((Octavia))))
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  memory loss!!!!

  by somebody in

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  does nayone happen to have reference to the article that the wts basically told it's adherents not to view fellow jws who obtained a "scriptural divorce" back in the years that the elders policed the marriage bed of jws?

  what i mean is that jws back in the days of the say.... 60s and 70s... approx.

  , who wanted to do what was right in the eyes of the society god sought divorces over certain sexual relations with their marriage partners if their partners wished to be stimulated in certain ways the society god did not apporove of back then between a married couple's private realationship.. .

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  Greetings all!

  Does nayone happen to have reference to the article that the WTS basically told it's adherents not to view fellow JWs who obtained a "scriptural divorce" back in the years that the elders policed the marriage bed of JWs? What I mean is that JWs back in the days of the say.... 60s and 70s... approx. , who wanted to do what was right in the eyes of the society God sought divorces over certain sexual relations with their marriage partners if their partners wished to be stimulated in certain ways the society God did not apporove of back then between a married couple's private realationship.

  If anyone knows what I'm asking for ( because I don't know how to word it! ) Can you give me references that says not to blame those JWs who's marriage ended over that part of their marriage?

  Was such a thing really published in God's the society's publications?

  peace,

  gwen
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  "the Society teaches"

  by somebody in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  *** w98 3/15 p. 19 living up to christian dedication in freedom ***

  4 in order to avoid misunderstandings, jehovah?s witnesses try to be careful about how they express themselves.

  instead of saying, ?the society teaches,?

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  hello again asleif,

  I have to say, that even when I was a JW, stuff like the above made me kind of uneasy, because I knew the society was asking us to be, basically, dishonest. I knew that we were not giving our own understandings of Bible teachings, but the society's, and I knew that if we didn't give the society's we would get into trouble. I guess that's why I'm not a JW now,

  Consider yourself very fortunate that you felt uneasy and saw what the motive was of "the Society" when you read such things! I too felt uneasy about things such as that when I was a JW but did not know what the uneasy feeling was. Back then, I told myself Satan had a hold of me because I felt the way i did.
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  "the Society teaches"

  by somebody in

  1. watchtower
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  *** w98 3/15 p. 19 living up to christian dedication in freedom ***

  4 in order to avoid misunderstandings, jehovah?s witnesses try to be careful about how they express themselves.

  instead of saying, ?the society teaches,?

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  truth is..most witnesses dont know the truth about the 'truth' so they arent hiding anything. they are simply brainwashed and doing with the society says.

  Hi flower!

  What you said is what I was trying to say.

  I just didn't word it as well as you did. A person can only HIDE something if it's something that they don't want others to know about. Therefore, once any cult member know the truth about the cult, if they keep recruiting, then they do so while hiding.
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  "the Society teaches"

  by somebody in

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  *** w98 3/15 p. 19 living up to christian dedication in freedom ***

  4 in order to avoid misunderstandings, jehovah?s witnesses try to be careful about how they express themselves.

  instead of saying, ?the society teaches,?

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  Freedom,

  I usually heard the phrase "The Society Says...."

  I never heard anyone apologize for using those words, no matter how cultish it sounds.

  That means the same thing as "the Society teaches" in my mind. Because if you said to another person, " The Society teaches that celebrating holidays is exalting men", would you think of that as a teaching of the Society? Or just something " the Society" said? And then... would you look and search the Holy Bible to find out if that teaching was in the Bible or if it was just something said by the Society?
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  "the Society teaches"

  by somebody in

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  *** w98 3/15 p. 19 living up to christian dedication in freedom ***

  4 in order to avoid misunderstandings, jehovah?s witnesses try to be careful about how they express themselves.

  instead of saying, ?the society teaches,?

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  Hi asleif,

  I'm sorry about the blank post! That was a mistake on my part.

  You said:

  Instead of saying, ?the Society teaches,? many Witnesses prefer to hide the actual facts and act like they don't belong to a screwy cult. Because if people knew the truth about 'the truth'(tm) from the get-go, they'd have even less success recruiting new members!!

  That is hindsight for all of us ex recruiters! Isn't it? I know many former JWs who actually succeeded in recruiting others, therefore, whole families.

  Those people just like ourselves were not "preferring to hide the truth" but trutly thought we were spreading the "the truth" .

  But once JWs come to know the real truth and still continue to direct others to "the Society", they are doing exactly what you said. Hiding the actual facts.

  If i were a JW today, I'd do what I did when I was 17 in the mid 70s and forced to go door-to-door by my parents offering "the Society's" publications for MONEY,Throwing them into the trash can in the ladies room whenever we stopped counting our time seved in order to have coffee. I knew that "the society" did not care where their published garbage goes, as long as they RECIEVED THEIR MONEY.

  And I know that they STILL what to recieve their money and beg JWs for it now. Since the "complete donation agreement" came into exsistance, they have been beating their own followers to PAY FOR the material studind in their own KHs. Even telling JWs that they can';t expect the "complete donation agreement" to cover what they study at their Kingdom Halls for their own personal use.

  peace,

  somebody
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  "the Society teaches"

  by somebody in

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  *** w98 3/15 p. 19 living up to christian dedication in freedom ***

  4 in order to avoid misunderstandings, jehovah?s witnesses try to be careful about how they express themselves.

  instead of saying, ?the society teaches,?

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  "the Society teaches"

  by somebody in

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  *** w98 3/15 p. 19 living up to christian dedication in freedom ***

  4 in order to avoid misunderstandings, jehovah?s witnesses try to be careful about how they express themselves.

  instead of saying, ?the society teaches,?

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  *** w98 3/15 p. 19 Living Up to Christian Dedication in Freedom *** 4 In order to avoid misunderstandings, Jehovah?s Witnesses try to be careful about how they express themselves. Instead of saying, ?the Society teaches,? many Witnesses prefer to use such expressions as, ?the Bible says? or, ?I understand the Bible to teach.? In this way they emphasize the personal decision that each Witness has made in accepting Bible teachings and also avoid giving the false impression that Witnesses are somehow bound to the dictates of some religious sect. Do elders call "the Society" to see what their latest teachings are when a JW who does not carry the title of elder comes to them and confesses that they committed a "serious sin"? Or do they read the Holy Bible to see what it when that happens? Do Elders follow the SAME procedure when an elder or MS or any other JWs who carry prominent titles come to them confessing the SAME sin as when a JW who carries no title comes to them with the same confession? peace, somebody
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  My life ... and how JWD came to be - Part 2

  by Simon in

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  2. experiences

  previous: my life ... and how jwd came to be - part 1. .

  how many times have people said ?if i knew then what i know now??

  what a difference that would have made to my life.

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  Thank you so much for sharing so much ofyour life with us, Simon ( and Angarad). I know that typing all of it out can be VERY emotional. I got emotional reading much of part 2.

  I've been waiting patiently...well...maybe not THAT patiently for part 3. I've been checking the board all day! LOL

  I remember you on wit.net back in the day!

  peace,

  somebody/gwen
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  Does anyone have the latest statistics?

  by aframe9999 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i have been lurking here for some time and enjoy everyone's comments.

  since the jan 1 wt has been out, i have not seen the latest worldwide report.

  would it be possible to post a scanned image here somewhere or email it to me?

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  somebody

  I too would like the latest statistics on how many "anointed JWs remain to make up the remnant" of the 144,000.

  I wish the graphs included that!