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Documentary on ex-JW family abuse airs Apr 12

by morrisamb in

just a reminder: the w network documentary airs across canada on monday, april 12, 10:30 pm est (that's two weeks tonight).

it's called family secrets: our episode's title: when nobody's looking.

they already have been showing the commerical which includes scenes from our episode.

somebody

One more boost to the top.

Can anyone in Canada tape it?

peace,

somebody/gwen

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Visit From Elders

by laurelin in

it's been awhile since i've been on here.

due to death in the family, chicken pox in children and other nasty things.. i posted here awhile ago about things i had found the unsettled me.

i was due to have a visit from two elders and a lot of you gave me lots of help and encouragement.. well, the two elders visited and i have to admit that it was nothing like i expected.. they sat down, and told me straight away that there was nothing i could say or ask that would hurt me.

somebody

hence including "persons having to do with the publication of the information" ?

Funny how the WT didn't use the term the "God's ONLY channel of communication " or the 'faithful and discreet slave" either. I'll have to go back and read if they ever used the term 'the Society"when supposedly "took resposnibilty".

laurelin,

i'm happy that you had to understanding elders and I'm thankful that your husband was present. Please be aware that if those elders discuss what was said during the visit with a PO or DO, it may not be left alone. The elders may be back to ask you the dreaded question. Which i'm sure will not be worded as follows...

Do you believe that the persons having to do with the publication of the information are the only channel God is using for communication?

peace,

gwen

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memory loss!!!!

by somebody in

jw
friends

does nayone happen to have reference to the article that the wts basically told it's adherents not to view fellow jws who obtained a "scriptural divorce" back in the years that the elders policed the marriage bed of jws?

what i mean is that jws back in the days of the say.... 60s and 70s... approx.

, who wanted to do what was right in the eyes of the society god sought divorces over certain sexual relations with their marriage partners if their partners wished to be stimulated in certain ways the society god did not apporove of back then between a married couple's private realationship.. .

somebody

Loris,

The other issue was that anyone who had gotten a divorce on the grounds of the WTs definition of pornea in the early 70's and had subsequently remarried new partrners were not to feel guilty over the new light. They had been faithful to the old light and that was good enough for God.

THAT is what I'm talking about! Do you have the quote or reference from the WTS stating that? Or was it only in a letter to those that held titles such as elders, do'd po's and others of prominent postions to read?

peace,

gwen

Puternut, I thank you and I am going to reply to what you shared with us. I'm workin on a reply! So please don't thuink I'm ignoring what you shared.

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Why are breakups so hard

by Octavia in

jw
friends

for those of you who have been here for a long time and have supported so many people, i'm sure you've dealt with this and are probably sick of the topic.

i thought i was fine; the relationship was not well, so the right thing to do is to either fix it or move on.

well, it doesn't seem to be that easy.

somebody

((((Octavia)))))

I feel for you. REALLY, I do. MANY here and in your personal life have probably been at the exact place you are right now. I have to say I agree with the BKB ( before kick back) view Elsewhere has. ;-)

If the relationship was not healthy and happy... then moving on is likely the best thing to do.

If a relationship is healthy, it really isn't so much "work" at all. If a relationship is healthy, then there would be no work to change one another. Therefore, the word "potential" seems strange to me in a relationship that is already a relationship. If you don't understand what I'm trying to say, I'll word it this way as an example...

Two people have a DATE. They like each other and they both figure the other as potential mates to have a serious relationship with. They keep on dating and their realtionship becomes more intimate, as each both have allowed.. Now the POTENTIAL is gone and they are in a relationship together, no longer being potentials to each other. Because if the potentail factor is not gone by then, then they will always view each other as having potential, but never fullfilling that potential.

That was a quickie example of what my opinion is only. :-) Am I going in circles?

peace,

gwen...who thinks by only what you said, it is most definaely not an easy to do, but more than likey, the best thing to do. (((Octavia))))

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memory loss!!!!

by somebody in

jw
friends

does nayone happen to have reference to the article that the wts basically told it's adherents not to view fellow jws who obtained a "scriptural divorce" back in the years that the elders policed the marriage bed of jws?

what i mean is that jws back in the days of the say.... 60s and 70s... approx.

, who wanted to do what was right in the eyes of the society god sought divorces over certain sexual relations with their marriage partners if their partners wished to be stimulated in certain ways the society god did not apporove of back then between a married couple's private realationship.. .

somebody

Greetings all!

Does nayone happen to have reference to the article that the WTS basically told it's adherents not to view fellow JWs who obtained a "scriptural divorce" back in the years that the elders policed the marriage bed of JWs? What I mean is that JWs back in the days of the say.... 60s and 70s... approx. , who wanted to do what was right in the eyes of ~~the society~~ God sought divorces over certain sexual relations with their marriage partners if their partners wished to be stimulated in certain ways ~~the society~~ God did not apporove of back then between a married couple's private realationship.

If anyone knows what I'm asking for ( because I don't know how to word it! ) Can you give me references that says not to blame those JWs who's marriage ended over that part of their marriage?

Was such a thing really published in ~~God's~~ the society's publications?

peace,

gwen

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"the Society teaches"

by somebody in

*** w98 3/15 p. 19 living up to christian dedication in freedom ***

4 in order to avoid misunderstandings, jehovah?s witnesses try to be careful about how they express themselves.

instead of saying, ?the society teaches,?

somebody

hello again asleif,

I have to say, that even when I was a JW, stuff like the above made me kind of uneasy, because I knew the society was asking us to be, basically, dishonest. I knew that we were not giving our own understandings of Bible teachings, but the society's, and I knew that if we didn't give the society's we would get into trouble. I guess that's why I'm not a JW now,

Consider yourself very fortunate that you felt uneasy and saw what the motive was of "the Society" when you read such things! I too felt uneasy about things such as that when I was a JW but did not know what the uneasy feeling was. Back then, I told myself Satan had a hold of me because I felt the way i did.

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"the Society teaches"

by somebody in

*** w98 3/15 p. 19 living up to christian dedication in freedom ***

4 in order to avoid misunderstandings, jehovah?s witnesses try to be careful about how they express themselves.

instead of saying, ?the society teaches,?

somebody

truth is..most witnesses dont know the truth about the 'truth' so they arent hiding anything. they are simply brainwashed and doing with the society says.

Hi flower!

What you said is what I was trying to say.

I just didn't word it as well as you did. A person can only HIDE something if it's something that they don't want others to know about. Therefore, once any cult member know the truth about the cult, if they keep recruiting, then they do so while hiding.

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"the Society teaches"

by somebody in

*** w98 3/15 p. 19 living up to christian dedication in freedom ***

4 in order to avoid misunderstandings, jehovah?s witnesses try to be careful about how they express themselves.

instead of saying, ?the society teaches,?

somebody

Freedom,

I usually heard the phrase "The Society Says...."
I never heard anyone apologize for using those words, no matter how cultish it sounds.

That means the same thing as "the Society teaches" in my mind. Because if you said to another person, " The Society teaches that celebrating holidays is exalting men", would you think of that as a teaching of the Society? Or just something " the Society" said? And then... would you look and search the Holy Bible to find out if that teaching was in the Bible or if it was just something said by the Society?

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"the Society teaches"

by somebody in

*** w98 3/15 p. 19 living up to christian dedication in freedom ***

4 in order to avoid misunderstandings, jehovah?s witnesses try to be careful about how they express themselves.

instead of saying, ?the society teaches,?

somebody

Hi asleif,

I'm sorry about the blank post! That was a mistake on my part.

You said:

Instead of saying, ?the Society teaches,? many Witnesses prefer to hide the actual facts and act like they don't belong to a screwy cult. Because if people knew the truth about 'the truth'(tm) from the get-go, they'd have even less success recruiting new members!!

That is hindsight for all of us ex recruiters! Isn't it? I know many former JWs who actually succeeded in recruiting others, therefore, whole families.

Those people just like ourselves were not "preferring to hide the truth" but trutly thought we were spreading the "the truth" .

But once JWs come to know the real truth and still continue to direct others to "the Society", they are doing exactly what you said. Hiding the actual facts.

If i were a JW today, I'd do what I did when I was 17 in the mid 70s and forced to go door-to-door by my parents offering "the Society's" publications for MONEY,Throwing them into the trash can in the ladies room whenever we stopped counting our time seved in order to have coffee. I knew that "the society" did not care where their published garbage goes, as long as they RECIEVED THEIR MONEY.

And I know that they STILL what to recieve their money and beg JWs for it now. Since the "complete donation agreement" came into exsistance, they have been beating their own followers to PAY FOR the material studind in their own KHs. Even telling JWs that they can';t expect the "complete donation agreement" to cover what they study at their Kingdom Halls for their own personal use.

peace,

somebody

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"the Society teaches"

by somebody in

*** w98 3/15 p. 19 living up to christian dedication in freedom ***

4 in order to avoid misunderstandings, jehovah?s witnesses try to be careful about how they express themselves.

instead of saying, ?the society teaches,?